Caitlin Whyte (Host): Welcome to, in Their Words, a podcast from the UPMC Pinnacle
Foundation and UPMC in central pa.
In this episode, we sit down with two inspiring leaders in pediatric
healthcare, Abby Flanders, executive administrator at UPMC, central pa, and Dr.
Becky Smith, pediatric ICU physician at UPMC Children's in Harrisburg.
Together, they share their personal journeys into medicine.
What drew them to pediatrics and the realities of caring for children and
families in the fast-paced, emotionally charged world of pediatric intensive care
. Guest 1: I am Abby Flanders.
I'm an executive administrator for the Pediatric Neonatal and Anesthesia
services for UPMC and Central pa.
I'm a nurse by trade, so I've been with the UPMC system for 16 years.
I practiced as a registered nurse for.
Oh, hold on, let me think.
Let me do some math.
That was five years in the system.
I was actually a pediatric nurse for three years before joining
UPMC, but I was a nurse with the system for five years before, uh,
starting my leadership journey.
And all 11 years of leadership, um, have been in pediatrics.
And then just recently this year I added anesthesia services.
So the reason I got into the field was, um, actually my grandmother was
a nurse and, um, she and I had a lot of conversations about caring for
patients and the joy that it brought her and I wanted to do the same.
Um, and then whenever I had that opportunity, um, I actually realized
that I have other skills too.
Um.
In administration and leadership and, you know, bringing a key, a team
together and taking a vision forward.
So that's when I started my leadership journey and, um, was a manager
of a pediatric practice and then the director, um, for the region.
And then, um, started overseeing, um, the pediatric service line in 2021.
And I've, I've been with the pediatric service line in that capacity ever since.
Guest 2: My name is Becky Smith.
I am a pediatric intensive care unit physician, and I've trained both in
PICU as well as peds cardiac ICU.
Um, so that's for kids who have predominantly congenital heart disease.
Um, lots of people don't understand what PICU stands for.
What it means it's the pediatric Intensive care unit.
Um, these are generally slightly older kids than the neonatal
intensive care unit, and we take care of these kids when they need.
Support for their breathing.
Sometimes that's just higher levels of oxygen.
Sometimes it means they need breathing machines.
We give them special medications via IV to help with their blood
sugar or their blood pressure.
Um, and these medications basically help them get better.
Um, I've been doing this for.
Probably at least 15 years.
Um, and I've been working here in Harrisburg at UPMC Children's
for the last three years, and my role here at Harrisburg is both a
pediatric ICU physician as well as I'm the associate regional medical
director for the pediatric ICU.
I also, um, work as a liaison with the emergency room,
um, to help coordinate, um.
Improvements in pediatric care and work with the quality group
here at Harrisburg to, um, improve quality for pediatric care as well.
Yeah, when I was a little kid, I first wanted to be an artist and
then I wanted to be an architect.
Um, and as I became older, I realized I just didn't have enough talent to do that.
So my mother was a physical therapist and she did home health
in rural central Pennsylvania.
So I used to go home to home with her as she did rehabilitation for patients.
And I think that's probably my first introduction and where I sort of found
a love for taking care of others.
Um, even though it's a very different job than what I do now, and, um, when
I went to college, I worked in the college health center and um, just
sort of went, went through my years of training, kind of finding myself.
Um, usually people ask why pediatrics?
And I think the why pediatrics is because I both love children and love
parents, and you actually need to love both to be really good at this.
Um, so I love working with kids.
I love working with parents.
And, um.
I like fast-paced action type work.
So the ICU is that type of environment.
My artistic skills were not up to, uh, what they needed to be to
be, um, an artist or an architect.
But yeah, that is what I wanted to do when I was a little kid.
Guest 1: I always wanted to be a nurse, so ever, I mean, my earliest memories are
playing with, you know, the Fisher-Price doctor kit and my family would joke
and say, are you gonna be a doctor?
And I said, absolutely not.
I'm gonna be a nurse.
I wanna be a nurse.
So I wanted, um, I wanted that since I can remember.
Um, but I do think the role that I currently serve in, um.
I, I found my niche in serving those who serve.
Um, I enjoy it so much to make sure that their barriers are removed and
they have everything that they need in order to serve the patients well.
Um, I, I love it so much to be in the background and make sure
our operations are smooth and the team is, is satisfied and content
and, um, have all that they need.
Caitlin Whyte (Host): For families entering the pediatric ICU can
feel overwhelming, but as Dr.
Becky Smith describes, Harrisburg's model is unique.
One child, one family, one room.
That consistency of space and staff helps create a sense of
stability, even when circumstances are frightening and uncertain
Guest 2: Yeah.
So, um, for families that come through Harrisburg Hospital, um, sometimes you'll
see the pediatric experts even as quickly as you're seen in the emergency room.
So it's not uncommon, especially for the critically ill kids that will come down
and we will work as colleagues alongside the emergency medicine physicians.
To take care of some of the really sick kids who end up in the er.
And, um, we have lots of people with, um, varying levels of talent within this,
um, group who will help us help your kid.
So, um, we have, um, nurses who have expertise and many years of
treating children, um, who will do iv iv, um, placement or blood draws.
We have, um, child Life who will help, you know, support
your child and your family with.
Things that are probably new and sometimes strange, and they'll help sort
of explain what next steps look like and, um, help sort of de demystify some
of the medical things that may happen.
Um, as we get to the point where, um, we've done the emergency resuscitation
or the emergency care, then we'll eventually transfer, um, your child
as well as with your family up to the pediatric ICU, which is on the ninth.
Floor.
Um, a lot of these pediatric experts float, um, between the ER and the ICU,
and we have a really unique model in Harrisburg that I love, which is sort
of one kid, one family, one bed space.
So you might be admitted to a certain bed, say 9 0 4, and you may
start your journey there, but you generally finish their journey there.
So.
The pediatric ICU is special nurses and doctors, and each room can be an ICU
room so that you then, as your child gets better, you don't have to switch rooms,
you just switch doctors, um, to be in the general medical floor, and then you'll
eventually be discharged from that room.
Um, we have all the specialty ICU equipment that you've probably
seen on television or maybe, um.
With experiences in hospitals.
So we have breathing machines, we have, um, special IV pumps and things like that
for the medical care that we give there.
And, um, you know, we have a staff of both medical physicians as well as surgical
Stephanie: physicians who can help your child.
I.
Guest 1: My role in administration is mostly in advance of patient care.
So for example, um, if we have a, a lack of services in some area, it's
my role to, um, either start or grow that service so it's robust enough.
Um.
Whenever the patient's needed.
For example, uh, we currently have pediatric ophthalmology only in our
neonatal ICU, and it's my role to grow that service so that we can also have
p pediatric ophthalmology services on the pediatric floor if we need, um, or
another example, we, um, previously.
Did not have inpatient pediatric neurology service, but it was my role to recruit an
additional pediatric neurologist to make sure that we can have in-person consults.
Um, the pediatric neurologist now, um, is on the floor.
Doing in-person exams.
It's not just Telecare anymore.
And that's, um, really the mode that we're in for UPMC, central
pa, we're, we're in growth mode.
We're constantly expanding what we're offering, um, so that we are a, a
full service pediatric department.
Um, one other thing is, as an administrator, I get
the, you know, joy of doing.
Rounds on the pediatric floor.
So I do get to see the patients and their families and talk with them
and, you know, ask questions such as, how's your stay going with us and
have all, all of your needs been met?
Um, do you have any concerns?
Anything that I can address and work on?
And, um.
I get to share those positive stories with the rest of our team to continue
encouraging them in their work, um, but also can pay close attention whenever,
um, there are concerns or issues and make sure that we work on those behind the
scenes so that it's corrected or improved for the next time or the next patient.
So I do enjoy those interactions as well.
I don't, uh, get to do them as often, but.
Yeah, my nurse's heart in me still appreciates being at the
patient bedside and speaking with the patients and their families.
Guest 2: One of the cool things about being a doctor and taking care of patients
is sometimes things that are little things for you as a doctor are really.
Incredibly impactful for families.
So like one example is, um, we had a very sick asthmatic child and he had been with
us numerous times, but um, on one of his visits he was having issues because he
was so sick and in the hospital so much that he was losing his primary caregivers.
In other words, the.
The family medicine pediatrician, doctors who were seeing him, he was
missing appointment after appointment.
And so he was being dismissed from practices.
And so, you know, when this kiddo was in the hospital, one day I walked in and
his mom was in tears because she, she was literally on the phone explaining we're
in the hospital and they were explaining, but you've now missed three appointments.
And unfortunately our rule is.
Three strikes and you're out.
And you know, for that mom, she and I sat, um, for part of the afternoon.
I called problem solvers like Abby.
You know, Abby isn't the only problem solver in the system.
We have some other really incredible administrative problem solvers.
And I called some of my problem solvers on the administrative side and I was like,
help me find this kid, a pediatrician and he needs a lung doctor and.
You know, we got him a note so that he could get a ride to school because
he was so short of breath, he couldn't make the walk from his house to
school without having to stop and rest between his house and the school.
So sometimes the biggest impacts we make aren't like placing a breathing tube or.
Putting in a special IV or giving special medications, but that like
one-to-one connections that you, that you develop with patients and families
to realize like the really fancy medical stuff we do is important, but
sometimes this individualized care.
We can give at the bedside is what really truly does impact their lives.
Obviously if we didn't help him when he was really, really sick,
um, he wouldn't be at that position.
But I'm sure what that mom remembers about working with our team is not,
oh, well they gave a lot of medicine, or they gave really high levels of.
You know, respiratory support.
But what she remembers is that we sat down together and we made sure that her child
had a pediatrician and got a lung doctor and we got him in, you know, really timely
with an with appointments and we wrote letters to the school and those things.
Honestly, I think.
That ripple effect is far more impactful than the really fancy medical stuff
that everybody wants to talk about.
But I'm not sure families really understand necessarily a lot
of those things that we do because they're very technical.
Um, but what the care we give that is very different than the care
I've given in other centers is that.
You do sit down with the attending every day.
You know, I go in every day and I sit in a chair next to the family
and the patient and I talk to them.
And that very individualized care, I think is what makes the
care at Harrisburg very unique.
And for me it's what makes the care extremely rewarding.
That's the part of my job that I love.
Um, yeah, I do love the fancy.
You know, high-end medical stuff, but I really love the interactions that we
get to have with patients and families and I, I meet their siblings and aunties
and grandmas and those sorts of things I think are really important too, and
make us really unique at Harrisburg.
. I think we have really personalized care and the, there are people in other
centers that can do exactly what I do.
I, my skillset is not so outrageous or incredible that it can't
be duplicated somewhere else.
But I think the personal care is what's unique here.
Guest 1: I think that that's unique about my role in administration,
um, that I not only get to.
In a removed way, serve the patients and their families, um, but also very directly
serve the people who care for them.
Um, and therefore I have a story for each, um, first the patient side.
Um, my husband and I are also foster parents, so we get to, um.
Walk in other circles that, um, expose us to some more immediate or urgent, um,
care needs in really stressful times.
So when a, a child is.
Placed in a, in a new placement and, um, the foster parents are discovering
some unique, um, medical concerns or, um, symptoms that worry them.
Um, and they need to find place or find care pretty rapidly.
I heard recently from a fellow foster parent that was so relieved whenever they
called children's specialty services for a single endocrinology appointment, and
happened to mention when they were on the phone, uh, thank you for scheduling this.
Now I gotta hang up and call the gastroenterologist and the
allergist, and the pulmonologist too.
And the person on the line said, well, actually, we're all of
those things so I can help you.
So she was so relieved.
And I thought, you know, hearing stories like that remind me, um, why I invest
so much time in recruitment and why I invest so much time in smooth operations.
And, um, making sure that we have a multi-specialty center and making
sure that we have really pleasant and caring, um, staff members who, you
know, are gonna ease, do everything they can to ease the parent concerns and,
and kind of make their lives easier.
And then, um, alternately kind of serving the providers.
I recently had a very, very kind physician reach out and let me know that they
appreciate how, um, they feel respected, they feel cared for, they feel valued.
They feel that.
Whenever they have a need or an issue or a question, they know they can
reach out and, um, are confident that they're going to receive attention
for their concern and we're gonna work on these things behind the scenes.
And it, he said that it mattered to him because, um.
It is a really hard job to care for sick kids.
Um, and it takes a lot out of him every day.
And whenever he's able to think I'm cared for, it helps him to care, um, I think
better and stronger for his patients.
And that was another reminder of why I do what I do because, um, whenever our.
Are, um, and feel cared for, then they're caring longer
and stronger for our patients.
Caitlin Whyte (Host): Beyond the medicine.
Abby and Dr.
Smith remind us that what truly shapes a family's experience
is the way care is delivered.
A quiet conversation, a moment of reassurance, or an advocate who
helps remove barriers can transform overwhelming circumstances into
something a family feels they can endure.
Guest 2: Nobody really comes to the hospital and thinks about getting
cared for in ways that are non-medical.
But I think we do a really great job caring for both the medical
and the non-medical needs.
Um, one specific example that I think of that I feel like happens every time I
do an admission is that, you know, we'll do an admission and sometimes children
end up coming to the ward at like two o'clock in the morning and you can just
tell these parents are very harried.
And one of the questions that I always ask is, have you eaten?
And many times, obviously at two in the morning, they're like,
the last meal I had was lunch.
And so.
You know, we have facilities for families to be supported, to have
coffee and tea and drinks and you know, meals that they can warm up even
in the middle of the night to just help support, you know, not just the
patient, but also everybody around them who is an integral part of their.
Their care, right?
Like parent, we need parents to be present and we need them to be
supported to have a really strong team.
And so we don't just support the patient, we also support, you
know, all these caregivers as well who come and, and work with us.
And sometimes that's as simple as free parking, which for some of our families.
The cost of parking in a city is a lot of money.
Um, so sometimes it's just free parking and sometimes it's meals
in the middle of the night.
Um, but you know, typically if a family's admitted at two o'clock in the morning
long before I ever even get to the room, one of our PCTs or our nurses have made
the bed for the family member so that there's not just a place for the child to
sleep, but also for the family to sleep.
And I think these intangibles are really, really important.
Um, when it comes to just having.
A little bit of that weight lifted off your shoulder because you have the weight
of the world that your child is sick.
The last thing you wanna think about is like, how do I get a meal in downtown
Harrisburg at two in the morning?
Or am I gonna have a place to sleep while my child is here?
Um, as an inpatient and.
We do a great job making sure that things like that are taken care of.
Cell phones get charged, you know, kids have I iPads to watch if they're bored.
Um, in the hospital there's toys seven days a week.
So I think those things are really important and often get overlooked
when we talk about the medical care at Harrisburg because people
wanna focus on the medicine.
But the medicine's great and you'll get great medical
care, but you'll actually get.
Entire care for the family.
It's not just about the medical care that that kiddo is
gonna get while they're here.
But I think hopefully from Abby and I, you just sort of see like
the passion behind this effort.
Um, because we, we really do think we have, you know, great services and a
great product and, um, I do, I feel at least personally, a lot of the
community doesn't necessarily know how.
It's never nice to be in the hospital, but that there are things
here that make this a lot easier to, um, to deal with as a family.
Caitlin Whyte (Host): Thank you for listening to, in their words.
This conversation reminds us that while technology and expertise are
essential, it is compassion and personal care that families remember most.
We are grateful to the UPMC and central PA physicians, nurses, and
administrators who bring this commitment to life every day and to the donors
of the UPMC Pinnacle Foundation, whose generosity makes it possible to
expand services and improve care for children and families in our region.
Until next time, thanks for listening.