Dr Mike Smith (Host): This is Transformational Pediatrics.
I'm Dr.
Mike, and with me today is Dr.
Alejandro Keroga, the President and CEO of Children's Mercy.
In this episode, we explore the topic from fiction to focus how Children's
Mercy re-engineered nursing workflows.
Allie, welcome to the show.
Of course, that's what you told me to call you.
That's what you're known by.
I'm excited to learn about what exactly This is.
So tell us about the Helen app.
What is it And what drove Children's Mercy to implement it?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Well, thank you so much for having us and to
think about this great innovation to talk about in this podcast.
So when you think about the Helen app, it's.
really less about the technology and more about technology enabling people in a
high acuity setting of healthcare to work not only a top of license, but give them
space to be able to, perform all their duties, making the job doable, which
is something That is not always there.
We've seen hard burnout in healthcare.
We see shortages in nurses and physicians, and they're about to get worse.
And the way to solve this problem is just not gonna be enough for us
to train more people and attract more people into the field.
We need to do that, but we really need to redistribute some of the jobs
and task that happens on a hospital to make the job, more possible.
And that's exactly what Helen does.
So let me explain what it is on any given day then.
Amount of time that a specifically a nurse in a med search unit will dedicate
to nursing task only is like about 30%, which I hope that's a shock because That
is like what we really need nurses for.
Then the rest of the day is a lot of things that other people can do.
And we also don't have enough data.
to track this on a daily basis in a hospital.
Most, hospitals I am willing to be don't have that data.
The only data that they have is ratios and maybe a little bit of acuity.
So what we did is we bypass the nurse called button.
Like This is a technology that has not evolved.
In the past 100 years, right?
It started
with a little bell and like now it's electronic.
And in the best case setting has a speaker now.
but it goes to the same person.
It is a nurse or a nurse deck.
And what we do is like give the patient an iPad or an app that they
can now solicit from a concierge person that someone that works for
Helen, we call the Helen Concierges.
And they have about 800, type of commands at their hands
where they don't need a nurse.
And we also give an app to the nurses to have.
On their phone to request things from the concierge people and from other type
of ancillary, units in the hospital.
people like transportation, people like environmental services,
people like, supply chain.
And what this does is it creates a more modern communication in a hospital.
when I talk about Helen, it's really funny because.
This is something that I would expect that hospitals operate like
this, but hospitals still operate in a very manual and archaic way.
So what we did is just brought us to the modern world.
People use apps and connect things, And what it has given us
is giving nurses in our hands at least one hour of time per shift,
Dr Mike Smith (Host): Yeah.
so we're talking about, so Helen is, is services like I need another pair
of socks, or I need more pillows or, my bed's not going up and down correctly.
Stuff like that.
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Yes.
From a patient perspective, right, or I need, like, my TV
tube is not working, water.
Things that like you don't need a nurse to get to you.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): so you surprised me a little bit when you said a nurse
right now, like, well, I guess in the older system, a nurse only spent maybe
30% of the time doing the tasks that, the nurse is, certified to do set.
I mean, 70% of the nurses' time was more of these concierge services.
Is that correct?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Not all it is considered services.
That is a good point of clarification.
In that 70% there is documentation, there is, all sorts of other things.
And like, or hypothesis is how can we get that 70% change that ratio?
So like maybe it's 50 or 60% of the time you're doing nursing stuff,
which nurses love to do that.
That's not the part that burns them out.
What is burning them out is this cognitive load where you are getting pinged by
a pager, a cell phone overhead page, all sorts of things that are happening.
And you don't have a way to react fast to all of that.
and there's no compilation of curation of what gets to you
And what doesn't get to you.
So what we're trying to do is.
Take away from that cognitive load and allow you to do your job.
so yes, That is a surprise and it should be a surprise because I think
instead of trying to like double the workforce, we should try to double the
time that nurses are doing nursing work.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): I think you're right.
You're onto something here, without a doubt.
So how do you assess the app's impact are you looking at operational
outcomes, clinical outcomes?
how are you assessing this?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: it's a great question and it's a really hard question,
and we've been wrestling with that a lot.
There's multiple measurements that we have and That is also what's very novel
and it's harder for us to explain to the community, but we're measuring.
From steps that like the consert are doing to hold fast, they're picking up
the task to the number of tasks, and we're translating that into nursing time at
the same time that you have to look into nursing retention, nursing satisfaction,
patient satisfaction, And so on.
And what we can see is all of those scores go up significantly.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): One question I want to ask is really, I
guess, related to kind of risk.
so now you have, you know, maybe some non-trained people who are in the hospital
floor who are coming in and outta rooms.
was there any issue with that?
Any risk that you took on to save nurses some of this time?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: So there's no risk.
first of all, these people are highly trained.
In hospitality.
So they're undergo the Ritz Carlton type of training, Disney type
training.
and there's rules.
They are not allowed to touch patient's.
And that was very clear.
Like they're not allowed to mobilize patient's.
we have to train them in regulations, hipaa, we have to train them in, what
can they say, what they cannot say.
so.
We took away anything that it could be clinical and That is very important.
It did not allow for like any scope creep and just keep them focused
on hospitality and That is not uncommon for hospitals, right?
We have environmental services people that we have to train 'em in all of these
rules, but they're like not gonna walk in the room and it's like, okay, let
me help you with You know, your oxygen.
That's obviously not right.
Or mobilize a patient.
You have to understand the patient condition to know how much you can
mobilize someone or not, so that This is very de-risk from that perspective.
And we've never had a problem.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): Yeah, I am curious how long have you been using this app now?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: I think like our pilot, here, it's probably now four
months, something along those lines.
and it is working really well.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): I was gonna ask, so what kind of feedback are you getting?
Not just from the nurses, though I'm also interested in what the patient's And
the family, of the patient's are saying.
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: This is a game-changer.
and I mean, I first, it was designed to help nurses and it does.
And, when my team rounds, when I round And we talk and interact with the
nurses, plus the comments that we've gotten, informal feedback forms it is
a little bit interesting to me because first of all, there's a recognition
that This is a little bit of a duh.
Of course, of course.
It's work, and at the same time, it's so intuitive or so counterintuitive
to what the industry does.
That in a way it's like, it's special on its own from that perspective.
So great feedback, making the job doable, making the job possible.
saving, significant amount of time, allowing more time to
connect with the patient's And the family, making it more meaningful.
And from the family's perspective, the same thing.
one thing that happens in hospitals that, every healthcare
leader should be working on that.
And This is unfortunately very relatable when you are in a hospital,
whether it's a children's hospital, adult hospital, and I've led both.
patient's are concerned about the state of mind of their care team.
What I mean by That is it won't be unusual for someone to be thinking,
how's my nurse doing today?
that's not okay.
That is a failure of the system, right?
We have normalized this burnout And we have make this job so not doable that
patient's know and you are in this moment in your life where you are very
vulnerable and it should be all about you.
And healthcare makes it about healthcare, and you should be
there in that bed thinking about.
I need a glass of water, And that will make my healing journey better, that
should be the only thing that matters.
But what we do in healthcare is like, buddy, you don't understand.
The guy in the other room is dying and that's like true, but how we can create
a system where that tension doesn't exist, and Helen alleviates that,
Dr Mike Smith (Host): you're making a fantastic point, right?
I've been a patient before.
I'm a doctor, but I've also been a patient.
I've been in the hospital and I remember times, wanting a glass of water
but not wanting to bother my nurse.
I would literally like, want that water.
I'll be going, yeah.
But he didn't look like he was having a good day.
he seemed a little rushed and stuff, so I'm gonna leave him alone.
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Exactly, And we need to take that away from that
interaction And the way the nurses are.
Also trained to triage clinically.
I'm a physician.
You're a physician.
We're trained clinically, right?
Hey, the other guy's dying.
We're gonna pay more attention to that right now.
You're fine.
It is not like we're neglecting you, but if you want water And the
other guy's dying, we are gonna prioritize the guy dying, right?
there's no argument there.
But then healthcare systems have like knocked them figure
out how to make it about you.
What Helen does is he makes it about you because the Helen Con search.
They're not thinking about acuity, they're not thinking about triaging.
It's all about hospitality.
And, And so when you need a glass of water, what we're measuring is how fast
does that glass of water get to you?
And were they nice and were they smiling and were they like appropriate?
We're measuring the right things there.
And, they have no other pressure than that.
Are they helping their nurses?
Are they helping the patient's?
And there's this lubrication layer.
Hospitality that did not exist, and healthcare systems have not figured a
way to make that fiscally responsible.
And we, think we're into something.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): I think you are too.
again, This is fascinating to me.
are you aware of how many other hospital systems are using a
Helen app or a Helen like app?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Yes.
One other hospital system right now may be two.
I will say that the other hospital system That is using it, I used to be
the president and I implemented it there.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): So you've been all over this.
you're right because, you know, at one end, I find it
fascinating in how obviously you have a vision for this, but yet.
It It is kind of like a duh moment.
of course we should have an app like this.
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Of course, right.
Of course, it should be about the patient's.
Of course, the clinicians should be doing clinical triage and seeing acuity
and of course we should try to save time to nurses and make that 30% bigger.
It makes sense.
It works.
But when you look this from an orthodoxy perspective in healthcare, healthcare as
an industry cannot make sense of this.
Clinicians can.
Patient's can, and that's the only thing that matters to us.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): Yeah, this has been Fantastic.
I'm really excited to hear that Children's Mercy is using such an app.
I think this obviously the outcomes, as you continue this for many more
months, it's obvious the outcomes are gonna be very positive.
across the board, I don't see how it couldn't be.
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: the questions are gonna be about the financial
modeling of this, and that's gonna be for healthcare administrators.
And we're gonna prove that That is a very narrow lens And that the
ROI has multiple facets and This is gonna be very fiscally responsible.
And when we are in a position where we can out recruit anybody else because
we're doing what's right, when we're in a position, when we have better outcomes
because we're doing what's right.
We're supporting the teams And we have a vision for how
healthcare looks so differently.
There's a great financial model behind
that.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): Again, fantastic.
I'm very happy that you're doing this, that Children's Mercy is leading the way.
Any last words for the listening audience?
Dr Alejandro Quiroga: Well, I'll say thank you for listening to this.
If you got so far, like you are very into the weeds of what Helen is and
like you are getting a flavor for what we're doing here at Children's Mercy.
We are dreaming big and we're caring for the sickest kids of this
community in ways that Helen just shows you the surface of that iceberg.
We are deeply committed to doing what's right in healthcare.
Dr Mike Smith (Host): That was Dr.
Alejandro Keroga, president and CEO of Children's Mercy.
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