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day around 10,000 babies are born in the US and about a third of them are born via cesarean section C-section. Now, this rate has gone up significantly over time, and many in the scientific community believe that that's really higher than it's necessary today. On Wellness for Life, we have Dr. Stewart Fishbein.

He's been an obstetrics and gynecology physician since 1986 and has a long history of supporting holistic births, midwifery, and the alternative to the medical model of childbirth. His lifetime goal is to teach, speak, and write about the normalcy of birth choices, the ethics of respecting a woman's autonomy in decision making, as well as of reasonable evidence supported options of selected vbac, which is vaginal birth after cesarean breach, and twin vaginal births.

Thanks so much for being here, Dr. Stu. Well, thank you Dr. Suzanne. It's a pleasure. Yeah, absolutely. Gosh, you know, how did you get interested in the holistic approach to pregnancy and childbirth? Well, I know we don't, I know we have limited time, so I'm gonna keep my answers, uh, to the shorter side.

But I will just say this. I finished my residency like every other, uh, ob, GYN resident coming out thinking that the medical model that I had learned was the best, the, the best thing that there is. And I, and, uh, thinking that that pregnancy was a disease and that it needs to be treated and that it around every corner lurked some danger.

And that's the model by which almost all residents are trained in the United States and probably in other western countries as well. And when I came out, it was a different era back then, and I was trying to build a practice and I was approached by some local midwives here on the west side of Los Angeles and asked to be their transport physician or to take their backups.

And I said, sure. And I didn't say sure, because I thought midwifery was a good idea. I said Sure. Because I was looking to make money. Okay. Because mm-hmm. You know, you're building a practice from scratch. It's not like you come out now and get a salary from Kaiser and, and work a shift it, you know, you were building a practice.

And so I began to take their, uh, patients and I took their transports and I realized these patients weren't critically ill when they came in. And they were actually quite intelligent and the midwives had a lot to offer. And I began to just sitting around, spending time talking to the midwives, began to pick up things that I never knew and that I was never taught.

And ultimately learned that about 85% of what I knew didn't apply to normal healthy pregnant women. And so I had to unlearn a lot of stuff and, um, pick up a new way of doing things. And of course, what happens when you pick up a new way of doing things is you sort of alienate the medical model people, the administration, and anesthesiologists, the pediatricians, because now you're doing things the way midwives do things.

Um, allowing women to labor without an IV or without being monitored or allowing them to eat or move around. How novel is that? I mean, how, how creative? Um, and yet that's frowned upon by many of the people in academia. And so, um, over time it became, uh, you know, untenable to remain in the hospital setting because I wanted to allow women to have a breached birth or, or a twin birth or a VBAC birth.

And I wanted to allow them to do it as nature intended, which is to be safe, quiet, and unobserved. And that's just not possible in the medical model. Well, gosh. And I learned, so that's the summary, right? You've been a maverick for many, what, 34 years? That's amazing. But what I'd like to note is that a good thing.

Yeah, it is a good thing. Absolutely. Because it's, it's a good thing. Yeah. It's, I, I believe so. More and more people are searching for holistic and natural birthing, but I'd like to know, um, what your feelings are about the main difference between holistic births and the traditional births in the hospital.

What is truly the main difference? Well, a natural birth or holistic birth, uh, um, uh, understands what mammalian birth is all about. And I mentioned briefly that it's supposed to be quiet, safe, and unobserved. And if, you know, if you interrupt what mammals are doing in nature, um, they put out adrenaline and they stop contracting and their labor becomes dysfunctional and they get up and they run away.

And that's nature's designed because it wouldn't serve a mammal well to be giving birth while there's a predator that's approaching. And what we do is we do not respect the mammalian model of birth. And we've altered it to the point where we. Went from having a 5% C-section rate, you know, and 99% of people delivering at home in the early part of the 20th century to a 30 plus per c c-section rate.

And, you know, 99% of people delivering in the hospital. And, and, and we, and we have a better statistics to show for it. I mean, the rate of cerebral palsy, the rate of neonatal death has not changed significantly despite a 500% increases in cesarean section rate. And it's, the difference is, is that medical model looks at pregnancy as a illness that needs to be treated.

And the midwifery model looks at it as a normal function that occasionally goes awry, but it's like breathing or digestion. It's a, it's a normal function of a woman's body. And why are we messing with it all the time? Why, why? That's the question. And when you start to mess with it every time you do something which interfere with mother nature, there is a ripple effect downstream.

Something will be altered. It's, it's, it's a, it's a given. Right now, you know, how about, you mentioned about, uh, the birth. I mean, I, I, you know, when, if there's any statistic issues with neonatal deaths, but how about maternal deaths? Are there any differences in that? Well, it's hard to compare because you, you know, generally home birth, especially with midwives, they're cherry, cherry-picking their clients, right?

They're not, they're not dealing with women who have significant medical problems. Somebody with, you know, uh, congenital heart disease or, you know, uh, severe hypertension or type one diabetes or so, the women that are at higher risk of maternal mortality, which of course is also from cesarean section as well.

Um, though, you know, it so you, it's, it's really apples and oranges. Um, but the idea that a normal, uh, woman who's healthy, who goes into labor is, is there's a significant risk for maternal mortality in, in either location is wrong. It's, it's a maternal mortality is very small.

Especially in western countries, even, even in the, even in the hospital setting, uh, it's, it's, it's a small number. So to focus on that I think is wrong because, you know, then you're focusing on the, on the one 10th of one 10th of 1% rather than, than, than the good things that come along with the idea of a holistic birth.

Do you, uh, treat the patient differently? Meaning like prenatal care when the, the woman comes to you, the pregnant mom, uh, what is the difference? Is there any differences in the prenatal care up to the birthing process? Yeah, there's a significant difference in the prenatal care, in the midwifery model of care.

Prenatal visits, um, generally run around the same frequency as they do in o in the OB model, you know, about every four weeks or so, but we're not rigid about it, but about every four weeks or so until 28 weeks, and then every two weeks till 36 weeks and then weekly, that's a pretty standard thing.

But again, nobody really knows where that came from. I'm not sure exactly why we do that. It's just something that's been done that way for a really long time, and so people just keep doing it. But the prenatal visits in the midwifery model generally are about an hour long.

And in an hour you can cover things like nutrition and sleep and stress reduction and relationships and answer questions, and you get to know people and developing a. Confident, uh, um, shared relationship with shared decision making. When you have time to go through issues, like we don't hand somebody a bottle of sugar water at 28 weeks and say, here, drink this.

We're gonna draw your sugar. All right. We, we, we give them options about diabetes screening and why it's, why it's a good thing and why we do it, or why we don't do it. And here's the different choices if you wanna do it. And here's the things. If you don't wanna do it, and this takes time, and in the medical model, there just isn't time.

They have to do volume in order to make a living. It's, I mean, Suzanne, Dr. Suzanne, the whole system is not set up to deal with the individual woman. It's really set up for, um, like assembly line, um, algorithmic practices where everyone gets the same sort of treatment and everybody, and when people get out of line, there's just no time.

To deal with it in that system because even the reimbursement is backwards. I mean, hospitals are paid more for cesarean section than they're for a vaginal delivery. And you, the vaginal delivery takes much more time and skill than a cesarean section does. And if sure if hospitals got paid more for a vaginal delivery than cesarean, you probably see a sudden drop in the cesarean rate.

Right. And if doctors got paid more for obstetrical care, they could spend more time with each individual woman during her prenatal visits. But the average woman, you know, she's probably nodding her head right now saying, yeah, I get about six or seven minutes with my OB if I'm lucky, and that's it.

Whereas with a midwife, you're gonna get 45 minutes to an hour. Wow. Do you can't possibly cover the same things. Right. That's such a great point. Do you recommend, uh, your patients to also still go into, uh, all of the genetic testing? Oh, sure. Yeah. We, I mean, the midwifery model doesn't cut corners on informed consent.

So we offer all the same. Um, tests and options that you get an obstetrical. There's ultrasound, there's genetic testing. There's, we, uh, you know, a lot of our, our clients refuse vaccines, but we do talk about the ACOG recommendation for flu and t dap shots. You know, um, we talk about, uh, um, yeah, I mean, we, we go through all the usual testing things, the, you know, post dates testing, the diabetes screen, the cultures, all those sorts of things.

Same sort of things. But we don't just say we're gonna do a g uh, a group B strep culture today. We, we tell them, here's the pros and cons of doing a culture. Here's the pros and cons of, of not doing a culture. Here's what we would do. If it's positive, here's what we do.

It's negative. Here are your choices. What would you like to do? Right? Everything's a different way of thinking. Right. That's right. And, and what I'm hearing is of course, I mean, you've been a long time outspoken advocate for women's rights, uh, to inform consent. That's what you're doing. You're giving them information and making the patient decide what do they want.

It's really, they're the ones that makes the last, uh, um, uh, you know, the decision is up to the mother. Yeah. There's not just one way of doing things. And, and unfortunately in many practices, there's, there's only one way. And if you deviate from that one way, then you, um, are causing trouble.

And you're often labeled in certain HMO systems, you're labeled as a noncompliant patient because you, you know, you're refusing to give your baby hepatitis B shot, alright? Or if you're refusing vitamin K or you're refusing this, or you're refusing to be induced at 39 weeks, you don't want to be induced.

You want to wait. You, you want a vbac and you're, and, and they think you shouldn't have one. So you're non-compliant. It, it, it, it's just, it's not a very good system for honoring the idea of, of giving informed consent and then allowing autonomy and decision making. Because ultimately when you allow autonomy and decision making, even when something doesn't go as well as you'd like, the, the, the family feels like, well, yeah, but this was our decision.

Alright. We weren't railroaded, we weren't coerced, we weren't, um, uh, skewed down a path to choose what you wanted us to choose. We were given information, we made this choice. Yeah, we probably should have given the baby antibiotics and now the baby's in the nicu. But, but, but we didn't.

That was our choice. And there's far less liability in that system. Um, and there's far more, you know, um, just, just relationships. I mean, you, you, you develop, you become, you know, I don't want to use the word friends, but you become, um, really. I mean, I watch midwives with them.

You be, midwives, have this saying that you're a midwife for life. So a midwife that becomes, uh, takes care of you and delivers your children, you know, they, they, that relationship never ends. 10, 15 years later, they'll be calling about their daughter's first period and they'll call their midwife because they have a relationship with that person.

It's really, it's really a, a great model of care and the satisfaction for midwives don't gonna get rich. And, and we don't, we don't get rich doing this model, but we really enjoy what we do. And I even though the hours sometimes are, are, can I say suck on your, um, on your podcast?

Yes, go ahead. Even though the hour, even though the hours suck. All right. The satisfaction is really good, and I can be honest with you. Um, when I was practicing the hospital setting, there was a lot of drudgery on labor and delivery, and there were not a lot of happy obstetricians.

Mm-hmm. Makes sense. Absolutely. People, people can think about that themselves and see if that's true for them or not. Right. Right. Well, it sounds to me that you really do enjoy your, the way you're servicing. And more and more. I, I do know that more and more women and families, uh, couples are, are choosing to go natural choosing.

And I, I think that there's, there's not enough of you, in fact, Dr. Stu, there's not enough doctors that take your approach, that take your philosophy, that are interested in the health and wellness of both, uh, mother and baby. And, and I'm hoping there's more and more doctors that will start to learn from you.

Do you te do you teach, um, OBGYNs your work? No, I teach midwives. OBGYNs are not prepared for this. The, the, the model by which they're taught doesn't allow for these sorts of things. And that's a shame because to me, to call yourself an obstetrician and not know how to do a breach delivery.

Or not and know how to put forceps on. Um, you, you, you, you can call yourself whatever you want, but by my definition, you're not really an obstetrician. And, and I think that the curiosity of the medical students is great. I think it gets beaten out of them in residency, and I think they get trained by medical maternal fetal medicine specialists who are medically oriented.

Mm-hmm. And, um, you know, a c-section is just a, is just an easy way out. And look at there, there are many ways to do something. I mean, people cherry pick their data and this is a problem we have. Even if you look at the, uh, whole coronavirus thing now, and people there, there's good, there, there are people that say, follow the science and they say, okay, you must wear a mask and you must be locked down.

But there are other scientists who say, masks don't work and you don't need to be locked down like the Barrington Declaration and those people. So why do we choose to pick one group of scientists and trust them and ignore the other scientists? And the same thing in my profession.

I mean, there's, I, the answer to that is essentially cognitive dissonance and, and confirmation bias, but, or there's some ideology behind it. But in my profession, American College, ob, GYN supports breach delivery. Alright? Yet, academia is not teaching it anymore. Alright? Now why is that? Now what you're saying is, uh, teaching them with your breach.

Let's, let's talk about breach. Breach delivery basically means the child's head is not, uh, down. It's not the one that's coming out first, the butt first. It's actually the butts first. The first, yeah. And so then when you do deliver, you don't change. You don't, do you ever move the babies, uh, uh, position Or do you just breach?

Uh, do you deliver it with a butt first? Well, for women who have very little choices, there is something called an external version where you can try at 37, 38, 39 weeks, you can try to turn the baby. You know, it's an uncomfortable procedure and it. Um, depending on your, uh, parody, which is how many kids you've had before and how much fluid you have, it may work a certain percentage of the time, and sometimes it's got a very low success rate, but it's uncomfortable.

Um, in my practice, if that's the only choice they have or it's an economic decision, we try to turn the baby, but ultimately, uh, of breach babies, if you know what you're doing and you, and you follow proper selection guidelines, the outcomes for breach babies are very similar to the outcomes of head down babies and a breach labor will succeed or not succeed for the same reason that a head down, um, babies succeeds.

And so when we have in, in my practice, we go through the numbers and we talk about the risks, and sometimes they get into, doctors will talk about relative risk. Oh, it's twice as risky to do this birth, this birth this way, then this way. But twice as risky doesn't mean anything if you don't know what the denominator is.

So you have to know what the actual risk is. And the actual risk of injury or a bad outcome from a breached birth that's properly selected is actually quite small. People would be remarkably, but, but it, but that's not what they're told when they go to the doctor's office.

So we're choosing right to, to follow one group of scientists and ignore another group of scientists who think differently. And if you ask a doctor who thinks breach is dangerous, if you had him take a lie detector test, he would pass. Right. Oh, wow. And if you asked me to take a lie detector test saying that breach is not dangerous, I would pass.

So neither one of us is lying. It's, it's sort of, well, some people are lying. You should say that. But, but, but some people are just not taught it, and they're taught that it's dangerous and they never look any further than their nose. I think that's the same thing for twin births.

I mean, or for, for twin birth births being delivered naturally. That's really unheard of. But you've, you've done it. Do you do a lot of twin births? Well, you know, it, it depends what a lot, I, I haven't done enough to reach physical significance, but I am working on my a twin paper.

I published a breach paper a couple years ago and I'm now up to 85, um, uh, sets of twins who've been delivered at home. So, you know, that's probably more than anybody in the world. But I mean, except for mid, I mean, there are midwives who've been doing it for 40 years who have done more.

Uh, my friend Cynthia, he has been doing it. I'm sure Inna May has done more than me, but as far as current or obs right now, I'm sure there's nobody that's done more. I mean, but 85 may sound like a lot to some people, not a lot to other people, but, you know, it's starting to get, you can start to see trends with 85.

It, it doesn't reach statistical significance, but you can really see that these things can be done. And if they don't wanna do them in the, in the, in the home, then at least you could offer these things in the hospital. The reason I get a lot of clients is because they're not being given the option of a holistic type.

Experience in the hospital and they don't want that. And there are other options, but they're just not available in hospitals that are run, you know, as, as I said earlier, basically on an algorithmic model where risk management and administration are making the decisions not individual, patient with their individual practitioner.

Mm. 85 to me sounds so many, that's, that's incredible. But, uh, and, and if at all there there's complications, you, are you connected to a hospital that you can go ahead and continue the birthing process? No, it doesn't work that way. Um, for many reasons, but I'll just say simply no.

Um, when I left the hospital practice in 2010, um, first of all, I never expected that I would be doing home birthing when I started out in my life, but. You know, circumstances went in a certain way, and now I, I'm, I'm, I'm really fortunate because I'm very happy to be doing it the way I'm doing it.

Um, I wouldn't wanna go back and work at a hospital again, but because of malpractice considerations, insurance considerations, that sort of thing, it is, it's not tenable economically to do both. And so, no. But we have some colleagues in the hospital who are like-minded, who, you know, they're not ready to take the leap to home birthing, but they're all but they're willing to ba to back up and support, uh, midwives or me, which is what I did for 25 years before I left the hospital setting.

Right. Now we're, that's what your practice, how can we learn more about you and your work? And I understand you even have a podcast, which is amazing. So can you share with us what you kind of, do you have a website and, uh, yeah. Is your practice in doesn't Southern California still?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I, I practice in Southern California. I, I also have a license in Utah. But, um, I, you know, I've done a couple of births in Utah for as, uh, uh, just sort of a coincidence, but I'm in southern California, but I, but I do practice all over Southern California.

So I've done, uh, births, like breaches and twins all the way from San Luis Obispo down to the Mexican border. Um, I prefer to not have to drive so much, but there are so few choices down here. People can find me through my website, which is birthing instincts.com. And, uh, my podcast is dr stu podcast.com and you can find it right on Apple Podcast like yours or, uh, on Spotify or any of those other podcast places.

It's Dr. Stu podcast. Um, and, uh, yeah, I've been doing it since 2013. Fantastic. Fantastic. So I was an early podcaster. Right. Fantastic. Thanks so much Dr. Stu. So glad to have you here and share with us. Gosh, there's so many alternatives out there for women, family, and uh, and just great information.

Thanks again. Yeah, you're welcome. I would, my last thing I would say is for any woman who's pregnant, who doesn't really have a significant medical problem, before you make a decision about who you're gonna use as a practitioner, consult a midwife. Alright? You get a different viewpoint. It may not be for you, but at least you'll understand which, uh, that there's a different choice out there.

So that if you choose to go with the obstetric model, that you made a choice, not because you thought it was the only model or you were coerced, it's because you wanted it. And that's fine. And that's absolutely fine there. There's a very good indication for women who wanna go to the hospital who wanna possibly have an epidural who, you know, who feels safer there.

Absolutely fine. We're not against that. Alright? Um, but, but for those who work in the hospital who think that the home birth model is so crazy, that's because they don't know. And you always sort of. Fear what you don't understand. That is correct. Whatever you don't know you, you wanna veer away from.

And I really appreciate your candid information and such. It's a great conversation that we've gotta continue to have. And, um, thank you again. For more information, go to birthing instincts.com and for dr stews podcast.com. You can get a lot of information there 'cause he has, I believe, weekly, um, weekly shows.

Thanks so much. Okay. Gosh, I know you've learned a great deal, really great valuable information, so do share the show with your loved ones. It can definitely change their life for the better. And please subscribe if you haven't already, so we can continue to do our very best here on Wellness for Life.

If you need help in digging deeper with your health issues, I work with people globally through phone and Skype consultations. My contact info is available on my website, dr suzanne.com. Until next time, go out there. Live your best life today, full of energy, enthusiasm, and ultimate health and wellness.

This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness for Left Show right here on Radio md. Stay well. Oh my God, it was so awesome. Thanks, Stu. Really great to have you. You know, I, I, I've never, I've never gotten so much into 20 minutes of my life.

Yeah. Well, that's great. That's a good point. Yes. You pick 20 minutes, Suzanne. Because, because it's like, it's like peak listening amount that people have time for. Some of the, we do go up to about 25 minutes, but that's absolutely correct. Is that I like, I like to talk about all the really details and get great information and things that people can do right away.

Um, you know, strategies, giving tips and informational, and that's, that's why I like it a short period of time. Yeah, I agree with you. People's attentions ban is hard. When I see a, like a Jordan Peterson podcast, that's, that's two hours long. Oh my gosh. I, I cannot, yeah.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Although he's a very interesting character, but that's his, that's his, you know, I'm a little bit fast. You can tell. Just in my, my way I speak. Well, you talk back a little bit. He talk slow and I, and I talk fast also, so, which is great.

It was awesome. You have a great voice this. Enjoy. I, I hope it, I hope it can. Caitlyn, will you send me the, um, the link when this gets put up? That'd be great. Awesome. Thank you for sharing it. I, okay. Thank you. Thanks, Stu. You have a good one.

Have a great weekend. Thank you dear. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All

right, so we've got Loretta, I'll be right back. Go and grab her. Dr.

Friedman, this is Calin with Radio md. Good. How are you, Calin? Good. I do have Dr on the line. She just away real quick. Cheryl, how's it going for you today? It's good. Good. We do these block of interviews once a month. Nice. Oh no, it's fine. It's fine.

Listen, speaker phone, I'm, I'm, I'm on speaker phone, is that okay? Sure.

This better? Great. Not a problem. Yeah, not a problem. Thank you so much. Sure, sure. Sure. Hi, Dr. Loretta. I'd like to know Hey, doctor Suzanne. Hey. Is it Friedman or Friedman? Friedman. Friedman. Friedman. Fantastic. Excellent. Right. It's, it's a, it's a Jewish, it's a Jewish equivalent to, uh, Jones or Brown or Smith.

I've gotcha. Well, I'm married to, I'm married to a Jewish man, but I always ask about the way it's pronounced 'cause you just don't know, you know. Oh yeah. No, no, it's fine. Free Friedman. Thank you. Okay. Whenever you're ready. Caitlin. How's

it going for you today, Dr. Suzanne? Oh, real good. Um, we're just about to start recording and, um, okay. And we can, uh, Kaitlyn's gonna give us a countdown. The

lymphatic system is a network of tissues and channels that help rid the body of toxins, waste, and other unwanted materials. Now, the primary, primary function of the lymphatic system is a transport lymph. This is a fluid that contains infection, fighting white blood cells throughout the body. Now, the lymphatic system primarily consists of all forms of channels, but this, this lymphatic system is super important in that it will filter out such as.

Within the tonsils. We know about the adenoids, we know also about the spleen, right? These are the, uh, lymphatic system. But the area we will focus on today is the breast lymphatic system and why it's so important to actively drain the lymph lymph system of the breast. Dr. Loretta Friedman is a chiropractic physician specializing in metabolic detoxification, anti-aging, and women's health, and is the creator of lymph biologics.

This is a unique form of lymphatic drainage technique. Welcome to Wellness for Life. Dr. Loretta, thank you. Thank you so much for having me today. I'm very excited. Yay. Yay. Well, gosh, let's go right into what lymphatic drainage is and why is it so important for optimal health. Well, lymph drainage, the lymphatic system is what delivers the immune response, okay?

So it doesn't matter whether it's an illness or an injury or a trauma, it's the lymphatic system that helps the body, uh, cope with or heal from whatever it is that's going on. So let's say you sprain your ankle, right, and it blows up like an orange or a grapefruit, that's all lymphatic fluid.

That fluid is actually, um, an innate, uh, ability of the body to try to, uh, mitigate any further damage from going on to your ankle. That's why it swells and it gets all inflamed like that. You can't weight bear on it. You can't move it, and that's the body's way of telling you, uh, uh, you need to let this heal.

You need to let this, you know, do its thing before you can use it again. Um, in my world, um. The, the lymphatic system is key and important because it, it contains or it holds on to toxicity. This is what the problem is with the lymph system in today's day and age, that, um, it, it holds onto all kinds of toxicity in these toxins create blockages and stagnation that don't allow the lymph to flow properly.

And when the lymphatic system does not flow properly, it, it causes things like autoimmune diseases and or cancers. And for women like us, the, the. Stagnation and the blockages of the lymph occur specifically in our breast tissue because this is mostly lymphoid tissue. So those toxins that become stagnant and blocked that cause cancer and autoimmune disease.

This happens in our breast tissue. In 2014, there was a study that was done that showed when they tested women's breast tissue, it tested positive for 17 different dangerous chemicals that all cause cancer and autoimmune. So this is a very real thing. This is not, you know, a theory, this is not imagined.

This is something that goes on and that nobody is really looking at or addressing or, uh, you know, able to help women in a way that it reduces the incidence of cancer and or autoimmune diseases that are occurring in the female population. Uh, do you think that then you're saying is that pretty much all women have toxins in our breast?

Um, not all. Okay. Some people are able to detox, some people are able to transport toxicity out of their systems through the liver and out through the urine and the feces without a problem. But there are a number of people in this country, in this world that cannot do that.

They don't have this ability to detoxify themselves and these toxins build and they cause disease and they cause illness. They, you know, they can be, and the, the toxicity, the exposure is in the air that we breathe and the water that we drink and the foods that we eat.

These are all filled with chemicals and pesticides and antibiotics and steroids. And these get into our system and not everybody can get them out. Uh, you know, equally. I think that, um, you know, one of the things, not just because of the lymphatics, but the breast tissue is a fatty tissue.

There's a lot of fat in it as well. Correct. And, uh, fat has a tendency to hold onto toxins, more toxins that all the toxins that were exposed to, the pesticides, as you're saying, solvents, um, heavy metals, these are all, uh, lipophilic. I mean, they, it loves fat. So it's stable.

It's stable in fat and stores in fat. So it totally makes sense that we want to improve, uh, removal of these toxins through lymph flat lymphatic drainage techniques. You know, I tell my patients, I dunno about you, Dr. Loretta, but I tell my patients women to, uh, wear bras that have, don't have the wires, you know, the wireless ones, not the pushup bras, and the one that has, gives you absolutely maximum support because I really think that the restriction right, increases that stagnation of lymph system and promotes toxicity of the breast.

A Absolutely. It doesn't allow the breasts to drain. It's, it's pinching them and it's holding them, uh, so tightly. And the other thing is, is how many women, how many women do you know that are well endowed that wear a bra to bed? Okay that we are a bra 24 7 because the, you know, they, they're just not comfortable with the girls hanging out without some support.

This is, you know, this is what they say, and that is the worst thing that you can do to have that kind of compression going on to. All the time, all the time, all the time. You, you have to let your breasts move. You have to let them breathe.

You have to let them flow a little bit, you know? And there are many, many things like, um, dry brushing that people can do to, even if you're not suffering from something like lymphedema or, uh, you know, a lymph problem, just to move the fluid in your body just to get the circulation going.

Um, you know, this is something that women can do in the shower for themselves every day. Start at the wrist and work down towards the heart and towards your chest, and then do the other side and work towards your heart. As long as it's always coming back towards the heart.

This is how you remove fluid, you know, and toxicity from your body. Right? So, so we all have this drainage, uh, tissue that goes and drains towards the heart, which means it's the left side of the body and you wanna go ahead and move that. And is that what your program is about?

Is that you actually teach this for women? I teach women, um, how to, um, any, let me back up for one second. So anybody, any woman who has lumpy, bumpy, tender breasts has toxicity in her system, whether it's hormonal imbalance and the lumpy, bumpy tenderness only happens once a month and it's elevated estrogen levels, or she has fibrous tissue that's lumpy, bumpy all the time.

Um, that is toxin, that is represent representative of toxicity in the body. What I teach women is I teach women how to, um, eat, um, and avoid foods that create inflammation in the body. I teach women how, uh, breathing is very important and essential, uh, to get the lymphatic.

Uh, system moving, how to wear loose clothes and don't wear things that are too tight, uh, you know, around their body because this is a problem. So, you know, and how to, um, also avoid, um, you know, uh, stressful situations. It, which is mostly impossible, but, you know, we can, we can try, you know, you know.

How do you feel about, uh, the, those stockings that their medical stockings that help you with, um, swollen ankles, swollen legs? Do you believe in that? The compression dressings that, uh, people wear for the swollen arms and the swollen legs. Yes. That can help with helping fluid come back to the heart.

The limb system has no pump. Okay? It's not like the circulatory system that has your heart beating and it's moving blood through your system. The only way that the lymph moves is through muscle. So every time you walk, every time you take a step, every time you move, the, the lymph gets squeezed and it, and it moves through your body.

So, um, people who have, um, um, you know, suffer from lymphedema, which is 10 million people in this country, that is a big number, 10 million. Okay. Um, more people suffer from, uh, lymphedema. In this country than they do any other, uh, diseases combined, like multiple sclerosis, A LS, Parkinson's disease and AIDS combined don't outnumber the number of people who suffer from lymphedema in this country.

But the compression dressings, compression, uh, stockings can be very helpful, but in and of themselves, they don't really do anything. Okay. They don't remove the toxicity. The key to getting rid of lymphedema is removing the toxins. It's also why lymphatic massage is, forgive me, is a bit of an oxymoron because it doesn't get rid of the toxins, it pushes the fluid around, and it may reduce the circumference of a limb or an arm, or a leg, but it doesn't get at the core problem, which is the toxicity that's causing the blockage and the stagnation of the lymph.

So, first thing, the thing that I do is I do, you would know this, you would be familiar with this. Do you know what a bio impedance analysis is? You know what those are? Sure. Mm-hmm. So, um, I, I do a cell test. I do what I call an aging analysis to all the patients that come into my office who have, um.

Uh, lymph problems because this test, um, yields a tremendous amount of inflamm uh, information regarding what kind of shape your cells are in. So I can see if the cells are aging prematurely. I can see if there are any nutritional deficiencies that are present. But for lymphedema patients, what's key is a shift of fluid from.

Inside the cell to outside the cell. That shift from inside to outside is indicative of toxicity. So I can see just how toxic somebody is, and depending on how much toxicity somebody has in their system, will lead me to either order additional tests like a urine test for heavy metal or hepatic urine tests for hepatic function or a stool test for leaky gut.

And from there we can know very specifically what may be the problem and why these people are not able to detoxify themselves. But for those people who just have toxicity and aren't able to do further testing, it'll lead me to believe if it's the numbers are high, let's say they have heavy metals present.

So I create. Protocols for them that include homeopathics, that include chelators, that include supplements that will help to pull out and remove the toxins from their body. And these are all, uh, created individually for each person. 'cause no two people are the same. So, you know. Thank you. What works for one doesn't work for another necessarily.

For the listeners who, um, don't know what bio impedance analysis is, it's actually similar to a body composition analysis where there's a machine and it reads your electrical current, but it really reads, um, and it, it helps you look at how much fat percentage you have, how much muscle mass you have, and how much water you've got.

And the, the looking at the water regarding the intracellular inside the cell, you want it to be anywhere from 55 to 60% and then outside the cell where you want less. You don't want all the water outside the cell. You want the cell to be hydrated, so you want the outside to be having a less amount, whether it's 35 to 40% of the water.

So that's what Dr. Lore is talking about and she's use, she uses that to, to indirectly look at possibly the toxicity level within your system. Exactly. I have a, that shift, that 60 40 ratio is ideal. And when that's off, it lends you to believe that the cell is losing fluid in order to dilute the toxins that are in the system there.

So, and that fantastic dilution is what shrinks the cell because you're absolutely right. You want the cell to be nice and plump and grape, like you do not want it to be shrinking like a raisin or a p prune. Very good. Now, now let's talk about men. Now men have breasts too.

And as we are increasing in this country of obesity, you naturally men have more breast tissue and they get larger. Uh, they're called man boobs if you want. So should men also act, uh, actively create lymphatic drainage within themselves too? Yeah, I mean, if men are suffering from, you know, from excess fat in and around their, you know, breast area, they should be concerned about the fact that they may be holding onto toxicity in that tissue as well.

But to be perfectly honest with you, I believe wholeheartedly that the prostate is what. Is what detoxifies toxicity in men. This is why all prostates are become cancerous at such a, you know, becoming cancerous at such an early, early age now. But it's the prostate that actually filters toxicity.

And this is why all prostates, if men lived long enough, they'd all die of prostate cancer. Something else doesn't kill them first. Um, because the toxicity that the prostate is filtering is just gathering in there for all these years. And because toxicity is so high in the environment now that men are coming up with.

Prostate cancer at younger and younger ages because they're tox, they're, they're not able to detoxify all the, these toxins. And I wish somebody would do a study. I wish somebody would test men's prostates just like they did women's breast tissue to see, to find these toxic, you know, chemicals.

Because I really do believe they're there. I really do believe that that's what's going on. That the prostate is the filter for toxicity in men. And, you know, they don't pay attention to that. I agree about that. Dr. Loretta. I, I know I, I've done studies on the prostate.

I'm looking what I mean by the studies. I, I researched about it and there was a study that came out about, I guess about five years ago, and specifically it, it spoke about it, they found out that men who actually ejaculate more often as they get older, not that they're doing more, but they continue to ejaculate regularly, they have less likelihood of prostate cancer.

And that's because again, I, I, I always say that the prostate's like a vacuum cleaner of the men men's body. It just sucks in everything and all the chemicals and toxins and dirt. And so it needs to be, it needs to, um, remove, you need to go ahead and flush it out.

And the best way to do that is through ejaculation. Right. Absolutely. It needs to be squeezed. It needs to be compressed so you can, you know, get whatever's in there out, so. Right. And you know, the problem, the problem is, is that you know, all these, all these men are on statin drugs, you know, they're all on statins and the statins.

Lower their cholesterol. So cholesterol is the building block for sex hormones. So their testosterone levels are low. So now they're all taking, you know, now you see all these commercials for testosterone for men because their testosterone levels have sunk. So even though they have the little per, you know, the little blue pill, they don't really, they have no desire to put it anywhere, even though they can, because their testosterone levels are so low, you know, and they don't necessarily go to the doctor to address this, you know, they don't talk about it.

Right. Uh, as freely as women do. So, you know, they find it embarrassing or whatever. So, yeah. So they, they can put it somewhere, but they don't have a desire to, and they're not telling anybody. So it's not getting, the prostate isn't getting squeezed the way it's supposed to.

Absolutely. Right. Thank you. Yeah. I would like to ask you on another, you know, direction here. Is it safe for women to practice breast massage if you have cancer, breast cancer specifically? To practice breast massage, you know, breast lymphatic drainage. Uh, is it is Can women Oh no. Who have breast cancer do it?

No, I, oh no, absolutely. I, I treat women with breast cancer all the time and, um, it gets rid of all that inflammation and all that, uh, tightness and all that heaviness that goes on, um, you know, pre and postoperatively. You know, I see a lot of post-op women, um, after they've had the breast cancer removed or lumpectomy.

And, uh, I have to tell you, the healing and the decrease in infection is amazing compared to those women who they pull the drains out too quickly and they send them home and, you know, they're still swelling and they're still inflamed and the fluid's gathering and the next thing you know, they're back in the hospital and they're on antibiotics.

And yeah, I can avoid all that. So I can, you know. Yeah, get them through all of that very, very nicely. Um, but how about the, how about the thought of, how about the thought of possibility of spreading, uh, rogue cancer cells? You know what I, I, I don't believe that's true because you are, you are, the cancer cells are more likely to spread through the blood vessels than they are through the lymphatic system.

The lymph is designed to, you know, try to eradicate and, uh, stop, uh, these cancer cells. So, you know, uh, I really do believe that the cancer is spread through and we know that, you know, once, uh, neogenesis occurs, you know, with cancer. That's, you know, that's it. You know, you have a, you know, more of a metastatic situation going on.

So that's why I like, I like, um, uh, thermography, you know, as a, as a test for breast cancer. Much, much better than mammography, because mammography doesn't really tell you anything. At least the thermography will show you if there's any neogenesis or any new blood supply that might be getting created that says, uhoh, you know, this, this could be, you know, a cancerous situation here.

Let's, you know, we have to get serious where mammography doesn't tell you that it doesn't, you know, and you can walk around like that for much too long, and then it's, and then you have full blown cancer, you know, that could have been dealt with a year or more earlier if the proper testing, you know, had been done.

So. Got it. You know, and it's a shame. Thank you. I, I, you know, yeah. I don't know why they don't, uh, pay for, you know, thermography. So, got it. I've had thermography myself 'cause I, I don't like, uh, radiation. I'd rather choose. Mm-hmm. Choose. I choose not to.

So I use thermography, uh, for my own. Yeah. No, it works well and it sure does. Excellent. We only have a couple more minutes left. Can you give us some tips on what women and men can do to improve our lymph system for breast health? Sure. Um, first thing that, like I said, first thing that somebody can do is they can try to, um, eat right or eat well.

Um, you can try to avoid, uh, inflammatory foods, things like dairies, things like grains, um, you know, try to eat. What, what I'm saying, I'm so sorry Dr. Loreta, I've actually meant the physical, the physic, physically. How do you. Um, improve the lymph drainage by the physical action of massaging your lymph.

Oh, well, uh, deep breathing. Okay. Along with dry brushing, uh, deep breathing. Uh, things like yoga are very, uh, helpful. Hot and or cold showers can be very helpful to dilate the blood vessels, you know, and then the cold shower, um, uh, shrivels the blood vessels, you know, shrinks them.

Um, you know, other treatments, like I said, you want to avoid, uh, tight clothing. You want to, um, uh, get enough sleep. Sleep is key. People do not realize that not getting enough sleep can really alter their health. People think six, you know, five and six hours is, is, they're good, you know, they're good to go.

And, and that's it. That's all they need and is not true. We really need eight hours of sleep or even more nine hours of sleep to let the body rest. Um, you know, and I. Really tell people to try and avoid sugar, uh, as much as possible because sugar is a huge, huge inflammatory component that helps to, you know what I mean?

That just, uh, doesn't allow the lymph to drain properly. It contributes to it. And as I mentioned earlier, trying to relieve stress as much as possible is also key because the adrenal glands produce inflammation. When, when you have intermittent, uh, cortisol production throughout the day as a stress reaction, you're producing in inflammation in your system, that inflammation is the lymph, the lymph goes to whatever area in your body of involvement.

And, and it gets stuck there. So you have a lot of aches, you have a lot of pains when people are really stressed out, this is why they're achy. You know what I mean? And they're cranky and they, you know, everything hurts because the lymph fluid is getting stuck in the tissue and it's not able to get out.

So these are some of the tips. These are some of the tips that I try to, you know, give my patients. Mm. Uh, you know, I just wanna make a, just mention that when, when we do have adrenal stress and cortisol, uh, I think the swelling, what you meant was probably the swelling that occurs when you have a lot of cortisol rather than inflammation.

Like inflammation. Cortisol is naturally supposed to reduce inflammation in our body, right? It, it's very much like an anti-inflammatory. But what the cortisol does is it increases water retention and, and it does cause swelling. Is that what you're, you're right, that's okay. Gotcha. Exactly. That, that water, that water retention is lymph and that, right, that lymph is what causes all the aches and all the pains and, you know, causes a, causes a problem, you know, in, in our bodies.

Oh gosh. Great information. Dr. Loa, where can we find more about you and your work? Um, you can go to my website, um, synergy Health Associates. Uh, synergy with an S and Associates, also with an S plural. Um, I'm also on Instagram, uh, same thing, synergy Health Associates. Um, you can, um, uh, email me at Dr. Loretta.

Uh, DR Loretta at, doctor spelled out loretta.com. Um, or people can call the office. Um, you know, I answer the phone. I talk to everybody, Dr. Suzanne, there isn't anybody who comes in here that I haven't had a conversation with previously. The office number here is 2 1 2 2 4 3 5 5 1 5 and that's a direct number here.

So thank you. Gosh, thanks so much for generous time and your information. Synergy health associates.com. I know that people that are listening here are gonna get such value. Thank you again, Dr. Loretta. I appreciate it. Thank you. Listen, have a wonderful holiday season, okay? Ah, you too. You too.

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This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness for Live Show right here on Radio md. Stay well. Thank you. Thank you, Loretta. Oh, thank you so much. I'm sorry. I know I'm a little long-winded. Thank you for clarifying some of my blah, blah, blah. No worries. No, no, no.

It was wonderful. I so appreciate it. Have a great weekend. We have another interview to, to, um, have right now, so we're gonna have to get off. Thank you. Yeah, no, no. Don't let me keep you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay. Bye-bye. Okay. Bye-bye. Do

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it is. Okay. It felt like she was eating while we were talking. I mean, I didn't notice anything. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Very good. Kne Kne, I think it's Kne, but Kne quarter. Oh,

there we are. Hi,

can you hear me? Hello? Yes, how are you? I'm great. How are you? Okay,

great today. Hey, Suzanne. Hey girl. So glad to have you here. Can't wait to talk about hypnotherapy. I know that the, um, uh, the, I think the episode was gonna be about hypnotherapy just in general, but I added the title Hypnotherapy for Wealth and Abundance. Is that okay? Ooh, yeah.

Alright, because I want us to really focus on that, you know, that's your expertise and we'll dive into other little things, but I really wanna just continue to, uh, support what you really love to do and, uh, and so we'll, we'll talk a lot about that, that aspect. Is that cool?

Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. Awesome. Um, Caitlin, she sounds really good. So we can start, it's about 25 minutes Kne. Okay. Alright. We'll get the countdown from Caitlin Hypnotherapy,

also referred to as guided hypno hypnosis. Lemme try it again. Sorry about that. Hypnotherapy also re referred to as guided hypnosis uses relaxation, extreme concentration, and intense attention. To achieve a heightened state of consciousness or mindfulness, the individual is guided by the hypnotherapist into an altered state of awareness.

Now, research suggests that suggests that hypnosis may provide a wide range of benefits for multitude of psychological, physical, and behavioral issues and conditions such as addictions, grief, anxiety, pain control, PTSD, weight loss, and even cessation of smoking. But today we're gonna go go. We're gonna go into a deep dive on Hypnotherapy for Wealth and Abundance with Kne der.

She is a clinical hypnotherapist specializing stress and money manage management, and the CEO and founder of Presidential Lifestyle. So great to have you here on Wellness for Life. K. Hi. So good to be here. How are you? Awesome. Awesome. I love talking about hypnotherapy. 'cause I will tell you, I've had hypnotherapy and worked with hypnotherapist since I believe, uh, 1989, I think 19 80, 89, 88, somewhere around there.

It's, and it's done wonders for me. And plus part of it was I needed it for sleep. I needed to sleep in the, when I was in college, you know? So, um, I know that, uh, you've been utilizing hypnotherapy for your clients for various things. What I'd like to know is, uh, you know, first tell us how hypnotherapy works.

I think your, your clinical definition was really good when I was listening to it and I was like, oh, 'cause I've been in it so long, like, I'm so far away from that definition. But listening to it, it was like, wow, that was a really good explanation of hypnotherapy.

But how it works, I like to say, to make it simple, I like to say it works. Like when you type on a Word document, you have a story written on that document, right? And let's say you don't like that story, you just hit delete and you delete every single letter until you sentence is gone, until the paragraph is gone.

And you could type a whole new story. And then you hit save, the old story is gone. Nobody ever knew it was ever there. You don't even have to remember it yourself. And now you have this new story. That's the way hypnotherapy works. It really deletes the old habit or the old story, and it replaces it with a new one.

The suggestion that you talked about in your explanation, that's how hypnotherapy works. Hmm. It's such an, that's such an easier way of un understanding it. You know what I realize a lot of people think you're in like this kind of weird trance that you're not in control, but that's so not true.

What hypnotherapy, at least for me, how it helps is it puts you in a state where whatever is suggested as you're talking and often you're listening to the hypno hypnotherapist and, or you get a CD or D-A-D-V-D, some form of, um, recording. Recording and you listen to it. It's like a guided meditation and it just helps, um, ease either, whether it's pain, it helps you relax easier.

And like you said, it kind of like deletes some form of, I don't know. If, if the memory's deleted, would you consider that the memory's deleted? Is it, isn't it just that the trigger or the charge is deleted? Well, the memory can be deleted because typically we remember the things that have an emotional charge to them.

So if I asked you, what did you have for breakfast three Thursdays ago? Unless you have the same exact breakfast on Thursday, every Thursday, you probably won't remember because there was no emotional charge with this breakfast. Unless some like sexy person or you know, like, uh, you also got a million dollars with breakfast.

Like unless something significant happened during the breakfast, you probably won't remember it. And that's kind of where that memory will go. It'll go where all the other. Memories go, they eventually just fade. And it's not, the emotion is taken away from it, so the memory can also be taken away.

Now, that's not necessarily what will happen. It could still be there because you can still have some of the emotion lingering, but not as, not the heightened state of emotion that created the trigger that you speak of. Mm, thank you. I'd like to know, you know, used to be a Morgan Stanley financial advisor, which totally makes sense.

Yeah. About, you know, why I wanted to talk about, uh, wealth and abundance, but how did you go from working as a financial advisor into hypnotherapy and why? So I'll start with why. As a financial advisor, I was creating these beautiful financial plans for my, my, my, at the time, I, they were cl clients, not patients.

So I was creating these beautiful financial plans and what I'd find is that people would tell me what their. Idea of prosperity was, or what their goal was or their dream was. But then when it came time to execute it, they wouldn't, something would get in the way. And I got really curious about that thing that was getting in the way, I now call it a prosperity block.

And I said, what is this thing? Like, why do they not move forward? And it's the same thing that a doctor experiences when a patient won't execute on their treatment plan, it's resistance. And I wanted to know more about resistance, what caused it, uh, why it was there, uh, what would make it go away.

And so I just started studying and finding out, oh, this is. This really is psychology. And I left Morgan Stanley, went back to school, got my master's in clinical mental health counseling. And then why? While, while I was in my master's program at the very end, the last class I took was trauma.

And I thought I was gonna hate trauma, which is why I put it at the end. But I fell in love with it because of hypnotherapy. I learned hypnotherapy in my trauma class because my trauma professor was also a hypnotherapist and she taught it to us in, in our, in our last session.

And then from there I went and I got certified as a clinical mental health, uh, clinical hypnotherapist myself because it was phenomenal. And lemme tell you what I mean by it being phenomenal and you know, because you've had it, but how, this is how extremely, uh, powerful is the word I wanna use.

Hypnotherapy is in my class. My teacher used me as the example. And she told me, make up a story and I'll do hypnotherapy on you in front of the class. So they'll see it. What it's like. I made up a story. It wasn't even my real story yet. I felt different when I got out of that chair.

I actually felt like something had healed inside of me, and I fell in love with hypnotherapy and I fell in love with trauma too, because trauma can be so debilitating. And to be able to just pluck that trauma outta somebody and let them live a life where they're no longer trigger triggered or hurt, and now they're healed.

I was like, absolutely. This. I don't even wanna do therapy without hypnotherapy. Mm. There's so many, um, people out there that's gone through trauma, um mm-hmm. You know, as a child. Physical trauma, sexual trauma, um, trauma from being in the war. There's so many, and I don't think their first thought is actually hypnotherapy.

I, of course, their first thought is, I need drugs to calm my anxiety down. Yeah. Calm right. And kind of help them, whether prescribed or, or self-induced, whether exactly. That's exactly true. So I'm so glad that we're talking about this. Um, what are some of, you mentioned about the resistance and prosperity blood.

What are some of, of the most common challenges when you're talking with your clients about their relationship with money? Well, the first thing that I would say is that what I've noticed, and now most people who talk about money won't talk about this, but what I've noticed is that we equate money and love.

So we use money to get love. Now, people who say what, no, I don't you. You're gonna say that, but I have a quiz that will show you differently. When, what I mean by people use money to get love. Now I'll show you. So you know about the spender and you know about the saver.

That also there are other money mentalities. I call one of them the blamer, the another one, the enthusiast. There's the hero, the artist, and then what I call the president because my company is called presidential Lifestyle. So the ideal money mentality or money personality is the president. Well, let's take for example, the hero.

That's the money mentality I used to be before I started this work. The hero is the person that is going to help you take care of your needs. It's the person you call when you can't pay your mortgage and you need help. It's the person you call when you have a boot on your car and you don't have a savings account or credit cards to get it off.

It's the person you call who you can tell your story. Your woe is me story, and they'll have a solution for you at the end. I was a hero and the hero in order to get love tends to save people. They love doing it. It's so much fun for them.

However, eventually they realize you're not getting love. This way, you really just become more frustrated because more and more people begin to ask and ask and ask because you put it out there that this is the way you get love and because you, it's not real. It's not real love.

You eventually. Become resentful. And so that, that is the bottom of it. But then layered on top of that is they're gonna come to me for a relationship problem. Right? That's what they think they're coming to me for. But what I found while I'm working with them is that they're a hero and they have been allowing people to cross their boundaries and they've been using money to get love and at the end they feel used.

But it's not that they were used, it was that they didn't have clear lines. They went from, from helping to pleasing. They skipped over helping and went straight to pleasing. And now in that pleasing mode, they've given up so much of themselves that they don't know how to find themselves.

And so what we usually do when I get a hero in my office, and I get a lot of heroes, especially the people that I'm talking to right now, my doctors, a lot of my doctors are heroes. And a lot of them are the most successful person in their families, especially when it is, um, African American.

They're the most successful person in their family, so they tend to have to help a lot of people around them. And that hero just gives, gives, gives, gives, gives, gives, just can't stop giving. And they have a hard time receiving. And so when they come to me, what we're really working on is helping them become a better receiver.

And what, how we do that using hypnotherapy is to go back into that childhood. 'cause that childhood trauma, that child, and it doesn't have to be trauma, like sexual trauma or. What, what we sometimes call capital T trauma. It could just be traumatic. It can be a traumatic experience that triggered something in them and made them believe that they had to do something in order to get love.

I have to do this in order to get love. I have to save you, I have to make you feel taken care of in order for me to get love. And that got programmed into them very early, usually before zero and seven. And now that that's imprinted in them, it's very hard to let go.

Time and repetition can do it, but that takes a long time and a lot of repetition. Most. Effectively it's hypnotherapy. And so by the time they come to me, we are going to take them into that, that what you call that meditative state. We go into that state, we go back to one of the early memories, hopefully the earliest, if the brain trusts me, we can go back to the earliest memory and we have to replay that memory.

Not relive it though. That's, I wanna make that distinction. We just have them replay it. So they're like watching it as if they're watching television and they tell me what they would have liked to happen in that moment. And so as I take them back and they tell me what they would have liked to happen in the moment, the brain doesn't know the difference between that which is imagined and that which is real.

Because the same place in our brains that we use to do something is the same place in our brains that we use to imagine it. So even just imagining the story changing. The person can change. They shift their thought around that memory, and now that they have that shift, they, they live a different life because now that they imagined it differently, the new story that they're telling themselves is not that they have to do something to deserve love, but they just are loved.

Mm. I love the way you describe how we need to imagine more to replace, uh, some of the old stories now. I mean, when you were talking about that, it just reminded me of when I was younger, I was a superstar in athletics, and the thing that I would do during the day when I would daydream, I wouldn't daydream about, you know, things that I wanted and whatever, clothes or whatever.

As a little girl, I actually daydreamed about me playing my ball. My, I, I was a big softball player. And a, uh, volleyball player. And I would literally imagine in my mind how I'm going to hit that ball when I got up there, you know, and I would hit it over as a home run, or I would remember myself as a center, uh, remind myself and just kind of imagine myself, you know, digging and catching that of, uh, 'cause I was an outfielder that, um, papa that was coming at me and I would dream about me sliding into a, um, home run or, you know, these are the things that I would actually dream about.

I should say imagine. And sure enough, my actions just played out intuitively. My body would just play it out. And, and that's, I think how I became a lot more successful. I just naturally did it. Not knowing though, of course, that I was in a sense hypnotizing myself or, you know, I didn't know anything about that, but that just reminded me, just as you were discussing about Thema being, imagining yourself in the position.

That makes total sense. Yes. And the great thing about it, the younger we are, the more hypnotizable we are. So you doing that while you were young? We are in data or that slow brain wave when we're younger. The older we get, the more we get out of that.

But the younger we are, the more our brains are in those slower brainwaves. Our imaginations are more wild and more open. And, and because you were young while you were doing that, you were even more susceptible to that. But even as an older, as an adult, that kind of hypnotherapy is very effective.

It's very effective to shift the thoughts because it's old programming that's there. Mm. And that programming is deep. I would, right. Of course it is. At this, you know, on the other spectrum, I would think that when you are. Thinking about something that's gonna happen or it hasn't even happened, but you're thinking something bad's gonna happen.

Anxiety about a situation, uh, speaking on stage or going for that interview and you're thinking all negative thoughts. You're also focusing on that too much and that's gonna produce negativity as well, don't you think? Absolutely. That often does. And that's one of the things that people come to speaking is one of the things people come to hypnotherapy for.

Um, just being able to get on stage. I, I worked with a guy years ago who was getting married and he knew he was gonna have to give a toast at his, at his wedding. And he, even though those were his friends and his family and his, and his, you know, soon to be wife's friends and family, he still was gonna be nervous doing it.

He, he was a doctor and, um, he would speak to patients. He would do a workshop and he would just sweat and gets so nervous, even though this is something he does on a daily basis. He knows his stuff, he's great at what he does, but he just gets nervous and that nervous, that nervousness takes over him.

So we had to really train his brain, and that's what it boils down to. We're training the brain now. This happened to him when he was about five or six years old. He was the youngest in his family, and he's from a family of doctors. And, but they were older.

His, his parents were doctors. His older brothers were probably 10 and 15 years older than he was. So they weren't doctors yet, but they all knew they would be. And so he was never really allowed to talk at the dinner table because they, he was five and they were 10 and 15 and, you know, and, and adults.

And so he was always told to be quiet, be quiet, be quiet. Nobody wanted to listen to him. So the story that he was telling himself that his words weren't important, and so if his words weren't important, why would he get up on that stage? And so if he got up on that stage and he said unimportant words, why would those people listen to him?

So all of this story is running subconsciously, of course, subconsciously this is running in inside him, and he can't bring himself to get on stage, even though at this point, at 40 years old. He's al. He was almost 40 years old, but at almost 40 years old. He knew his stuff, his words were important, but he couldn't believe it because that old programming was still running, and it doesn't just go away.

Not by itself at least. Well, how long did that CLT have to work with you or the length of time visits for him to be able to go up and speak his truth in front of that? The people that love him and, and that his wedding, how long did it take him?

Oh yes. That's the joy of hypnotherapy. I have worked with people who in one session have completely changed, completely shifted, but I would say in general, six to 12 sessions is what I usually tell people to prepare for. But the way that I work is that I do intensive.

So I'm probably gonna see you twice for three or four hours at a time. Is we really gonna get down to what. You are your immediate need first because your brain needs to get through that immediate need. And then we're gonna go back to the old trauma because whatever you're dealing with today, whether and, and I say this, I know I'm talking to room full of doctors, but whatever you are dealing with, but also what your patients are dealing with, whatever you are dealing or whatever your patients are dealing with today started a long time ago.

So we do have to look at the immediately a need. And the reason we do that is because the brain won't let us go further than that if we don't take care of the immediate lead. Once we take care of the immediate need, the brain will trust us and it will allow us to go further.

And the reason why I say that as well is because, like I said earlier, doctors do tend to run into resistance. Resistance is not necessarily a bad thing. The resistance tells us what the patient is ready for, and if they're not ready to heal yet, listen to them. Don't force it because the brain will be ready.

The brain wants to change, the brain wants to heal. It is just afraid of the unfamiliar because the brain sees familiar as good and unfamiliar as bad. Even if unfamiliar is healing it's relief, they still see the brain still sees it that way. So we first have to get the brain to trust us, and once the brain trusts, then it will allow us to go back further and even further and even further into the healing where it really, where the cause because you know, we can heal symptoms all day long, but we'll be doing that for life.

And sure we can get rich off of healing symptoms, but we, we won't find meaning in our lives. We won't feel rewarded because we are not really doing our jobs. Mm. Beautifully said Kne. Uh, you did mention that you work with a lot in medical profession, people in the health industry, but you do take clients that are outside of that realm as well.

Yeah, A lot of times I, I love what I do because I get the tough clients. Like a lot of times patients come to me because their doctor sent them to me. It's like, you're too resistant. You need to go see a and get some hypnotherapy. Or a therapist sent them to me.

So the therapist is, you know, handling this client and the client is not following their treatment plans and they say, Hey, you need to go see Cana. I get the most resistance, and I love those because I don't see them as resistant and I don't see them as tough.

I usually can break through resistance pretty quickly. Um, but I, I. Prefer to work with doctors In my group, I have a hypnotherapy group and I work with doctors in that group. And the reason is because I have a goal to reach millions of people, but I can't do that by myself.

And so if I work with doctors and teach 'em some of my techniques, but also help them heal 'cause doctors are overwhelmed and burn out and, and you, we, you know, we said we were gonna talk about financial prosperity, but many doctors think they have to choose between, um.

Making a difference and making money, and they don't. And so I, I like to share my knowledge, which with doctors, especially that financial abundance, that prosperity, that idea of prosperity and helping them break through their blocks so they can get to, through their idea of prosperity. But often doctors recommend patients to me, so their patients are not usually doctors.

And so on a one-on-one private, usually a retreat session is what I call it, a retreat session. Those are usually patients that aren't doctors. Um, a lot of times I work with men. That's who I work with, pri primarily, I would say 60 to 80% of the patients that I see are men.

Um, anger is the number one thing. They usually come to me for anger that's usually causing them stress. The anger that's creating the dissension in their relationships, the angers that. It is keeping them from sleeping at night. So sleep, like you mentioned earlier, is one of the biggest things that I work on.

And hypnotherapy works so well for that. Um, I don't do a lot of pain hypnotherapy, but that's another thing that I work on sometimes with what I really love is the trauma. And trauma comes from, you know, usually our past zero to seven, like I said earlier, and that's who the doctors end up sending me.

But oddly enough, and children, I get children too. Oh. Yeah, children too. That's really my favorite population. I don't get to work with them as much as I would like to my teenagers. I just love working with teenagers. And the reason why I love working with teenagers, because you remember I said zero to seven is when we get most of our programming right?

And then seven to 14 is when we kind of solidi, we kind of prove it. Seven to 14 were saying. Okay, I have this hypothesis. I think the world is this way. I think I get love this way, but let me just prove it. And so we, we put ourselves, that's why teenage years are so hard, because we're putting ourselves through this test to see, was I right?

Is this the way world is? And then they, we, we kind of hold on to that idea. We prove it, that hypothesis. And so if I could get a teenager, like somewhere between 14 and 19, I can clear up that old programming that was instilled in them. So they have a clean slate and they get to start over.

And it's almost like they're zero again. They're just, they're not, they're, they're ba, they're like fresh again. So I love working with teenagers. I prefer to wait until after the programming because I don't like to do hypnotherapy and send a kid back into the system that they, that created the problem.

Um, the challenge that, that I have as a hypnotherapist is that I know that it's nothing wrong with that child. It's the system. There's nothing wrong with the parents either. It's the system. Maybe the parent is, is, is, has some trauma themselves, and yes, they might be abusive, but there's nothing wrong with them.

They are hurting, they have been victimized, and now they've turned that child into the victim. And so that's, it's tough to send. It is tough to do that work and then send a child back into that environment because I know that they'll just need to come back to me again.

And I'm not in the business of repeat clients. That's not what I do. I don't want repeat patients. I want you to heal now. You can come back to me for something else. Maybe you were in a car accident later on in life and you, you now, you don't wanna drive.

And so we need to do hypnotherapy to, to heal you from that. But I don't want us to, to, to meet again for the same challenge. Hmm. That's, that's a great, great goal there. Gosh, you know, we're pretty much outta time, but I do want you to talk about, uh, just, uh, briefly about your website, pre presidential lifestyle.com and what the presidential experience is.

Yes, so Presidential Lifestyle is our company and presidential lifestyle is a wellness company focused on wealth in all of its forms. And if you go to our website, presidential lifestyle.com, you'll see what we offer. You'll see a little bit about the company and I have that quiz that I talked about at the top of the show, the money mentality quiz.

You'll see a space to, to take the money mentality quiz and see how you've been using money to get love. And it's just a fun quiz. Just take it. Don't have to be so serious. And from there, if you wanna connect with us more, you can, we'll send you an email after you take the quiz and tell you how you connect with us more.

But the presidential experience, that's our private retreat. And so we see doctors in our private retreat or we see their patients, doctors, patients, they sort of like prescribe, you should say, we could say the presidential experience and the presidential experience. You either do it virtually. Or live, and we were a virtual company even before COVID, OVID.

So you can do the presidential experience virtually or live, but it's an intensive hypnotherapy session really dedicated to you where we can get past your prosperity blocks. Now it's focused on money, but it's a gateway really healing you, your love so you can receive more. Because society told us that it's better to give than to receive.

And because of that, especially us, especially those healthcare professionals out there, right? We are so focused on giving that we are. Terrible receivers. And in the presidential experience, we help you balance that giving and receiving, finding some harmony there so you get the right amount. You can tell yourself when to stop, when to go, because sometimes you do wanna be generous, but other times you need to be what I call self full and just be full of yourself, focused on yourself.

But we need a roadmap, a formula to do that. I call it the YOU formula. And in the presidential experience, you'll get your YOU formula. We'll get a formula designed, especially for you because prosperity means different things to different people. And using our breakthrough, our breakthrough to prosperity system, that system will help you determine what that formula is for you.

Now, we do this in the Prosperity Club as a group for doctors, but the presidential experience is our private one-on-one retreat. And that's got it specific to you, so you don't have to do it in a group if you don't want to. But the Prosperity Club is that, that group for doctors where you have that peer to peer kind of, uh, forum that you can go to.

But weekly, every single week I do hypnotherapy for the doctors. And then, um, they also have the option depending on when they come. I usually sometimes do like a special offer and I'll give out some, some private hypnotherapy sessions as well. Ah, everything that you're saying, I, I'm thinking about how I, you know, I'm one of you the heroes too, like, you know, and we, I just give, give, give and, and being of service and it, I get a lot out of it, and that is the love I get too.

I get it. But yeah, this year alone, I mean, it's change kne for me. I, I'm doing so much more for myself. I am, I don't, I'm not working as much. I'm going to Hawaii for a full month and although I'm gonna be working while I'm in Hawaii, but I'm gonna be enjoying every bit of it.

I got myself an rv, you know, for myself so I can travel and really nourish my spirit, spirit and physicality. So I feel that just, uh, even the changes from this COVID and um, just in the stage in my life, I'm, I'm going towards more loving self. That's phenomenal.

Mm. Yes. And I remember when we met, I remember you telling me that. And that is so yummy. Like I got chills just listening to hearing you say that and being able, and a lot of people saw 2020 and the COVID crisis as um, I don't know. Awful. Or just a lot trauma complaints.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But there also was some beautiful moments in 2020 and Sure, some people lost loved ones. Absolutely. And we have to give that it's due. That is painful. But if we look at it, if we just shift our thinking around it, I bet we can find some golden nuggets.

Just like you did. You were able to pull back a little in your practice and focus on yourself more. Sure you can be a hero anytime. You can save as many patients as you like, but sometimes you're going to have to turn around and save yourself. Hmm. Thank you Kne. Such great, beautiful words.

I so appreciate you and having you on this show. I really do. Uh, what a blessing it was to have you here. Thank you so much. You are welcome. Thank you for having me. I just love spending time with you and I can't wait to spend more. I gotta get on that RV with you.

Yeah, you got it. Yes. Thank you. Have a great weekend. Okay. Wow. Presidential lifestyle.com. Presidential lifestyle.com is Kna quarters website. Definitely go check out that men mentality, the money mentality quiz. You'll be surprised what you find out. I so appreciate this and I know you've learned a great deal here.

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Until next time, go out there and live your best life full of energy, enthusiasm, and ultimate health and wellness. This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness For Life Show right here on Radio md. Stay well. Oh

Kne, that was amazing. Oh, thank you. Fantastic. Was, that was great. And I forgot to tell you, I love the name of your show. That is so freaking cool. That Wellness for Life. Oh, it's my corporation name too. It's been, gosh, 20 something years. Thank you so much, man.

That is, is so well said. Like that says everything. It says it all. It does. Yeah. I appreciate. Yeah, thanks my dear. I can't wait to learn more about what you do and you know, and possibly even having a one-on-one session with you. Until then, have a great weekend and I'll talk to you soon.

Alright, you too. Thank you so much. Thanks again for your time. Bye-Bye dear. Ler,

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we've had him on before. Hello,

this is Jordan. Hello? Hello? Hello. Hey, Caitlin, how are you? Yes, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Excellent. Hey,

Jordan, so glad to have you back. I'm so happy. So we're gonna jump into, oh, it's my pleasure. I'm really looking forward to this. Yeah, absolutely. We're gonna jump into, um, again, you know, me, medicinal marijuana and, um, is that how you call it, medicinal marijuana or medical marijuana?

Same thing. Medical, and I don't like the word marijuana. I like prefer cannabis because I think it's, you know, it's the Latin genius. It doesn't have so many racial connotations to it. Okay. But I'll go with marijuana if you want to use that. No, no, no. I, I definitely what you can do is you can explain what cannabis is.

I'll use the word medical cannabis. That's the good one. Okay. And of course we, we definitely are gonna go into cannabis and sex. Oh, cool. Excellent. My favorite topic. I love it. So, um, let's go ahead whenever you're ready. It's about 25 minutes. Yep. That's perfect. I'm good. Are you on?

I am on, uh, some, uh, Bluetooth headphones and I'm wondering whether I should switch to the cellular network here. Um, so hang on a sec. 'cause, uh, let me do that. Oh,

these headphones are, are actually pretty good usually. I mean, I'm happy to try it if you prefer, but, um, this is definitely what I use for recording other things. Um, tell me what you want. Okay.

She, he find very good. He, he sounds pretty clear on my end. Kailyn. My

husband George, has been suffering from a knee fracture for several months, and during the first few weeks he was in so much pain. I mean, he was just taking a ton of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, um, as well as such as like ibuprofen. But you know, being a natural holistic physician myself, I really want him to try some alternative therapies.

So I suggested. For him to have medicinal cannabis or medical cannabis. And it definitely made a difference. Now it has been proven to be safely and effectively treat, and it's been proven, lemme try it again. Medical cannabis has been proven to safely and effectively treat certain patients for symptoms of conditions ranging from chronic pain, cancer, to depre cancer, to depression, anxiety, seizures, uh, PTSD and more.

Today we have Dr. Jordan Tischler, our Harvard trained cannabis specialist and founder and CEO of Inhale, md. He is one of the leading experts in the field of medical cannabis therapeutics, as well as an accomplished author, teacher, and a nationally sought out speak speaker. Well, welcome back to Wellness for Life, Dr. Tischler.

Oh, thank you so much for having me back. It's always a pleasure. Yeah, absolutely. Really excited to have you back and talk about cannabis and how can optimize our health, including sex. Absolutely. Um, you know, that's one that's just sort of starting to catch on in people's awareness. Uh, I've seen a couple of symposia come up around that, but, uh, that's definitely one of the areas, uh, in my practice where I've seen some of the best results.

Um, and certainly, um, shall we say the greatest, um, uh, improvements in quality of life. Yes. You know, I was doing a little research, um, this week because we're, we, were gonna talk about cannabis and sex and I, I ba basically just put cannabis and sex on my Google and sure enough, the article on Self in Self Magazine, which actually coded you a great deal, Dr. Tischler, about how does cannabis actually affect sex.

That was the article that I picked up and sure enough, you wrote all, you, you, you, you were quoted quite a bit in this article, so I'm really glad that we're, we're gonna be diving in right now. Cool. Where should we start? So tell us, just tell us how can cannabis help with having sex or, or individuals?

Um, is it because they have sexual issues, intimacy issues, orgasm issues, inhibition issues? How does cannabis help? Well, you know, I think that we first of all need to sort of, um. Uh, you know, think a little bit about who we're talking to and about, right? I mean, there are some people who are, um, you know, perfectly healthy and they have a fine sex life and, and, and they're looking for sort of a little something extra or a little something different.

And I think that, you know, those people definitely can get benefit from cannabis. Uh, I don't see that as entirely a medical, uh, thing. But then there's this other group of people, um, you know, who really have, uh, roadblocks, if you will, in their sex lives, uh, and their sexual satisfaction.

And, and those are the folks that I tend to spend most of my time focused on. So everything that we're gonna say, you know, will apply to the sort of healthy, recreationally oriented people. But, you know, my focus is really on people who are having a tough time of something.

Um, and one of the things that we've come to realize is that, um. There aren't a lot of treatments, particularly of a pharmacological nature, um, meaning medicine that can help with any form of sexual dysfunction, right? I mean, so immediately our minds go to erectile dysfunction and the Viagra type, uh, medicines, and those are great.

There were a huge advancement, but they only work for men, obviously, and they only work for erectile dysfunction, which is roughly 30% of the problems that are experienced by men. So that's not a, that's not even most right. Um, when we start to think about things that, uh, that, you know, that affect men and women, such as, uh, low libido or difficulty with arousal or orgasm or, or satisfaction, then we start to realize that there's a whole ball of wax there that we've got really not much to address with, um, other than exec.

You know, again, the erectile dysfunction. For men. Um, so we kind of got stuck, right? And now when you start to introduce cannabis and you realize that cannabis works in such a broad fashion that it helps with for both men and women. And it helps across this sort of broad range of, of sort of sexual dynamic, um, that encompasses a whole bunch of different pieces that can either be a problem or not for certain individuals.

Meaning again, you know, if somebody has low libido, whether male or female, cannabis can help that. Um, if people are having difficulty with arousal, particularly women lubrication, vaginal relaxation, that sort of thing, cannabis can help that. Um, if people are having trouble achieving orgasm, male or female, cannabis can help that.

Interestingly, in some men, they have trouble, uh, um, not orgasming sooner than they or their partner would like, and cannabis can help that. And I think most importantly is that when used properly, cannabis can increase that sense of intimacy between partners. Um, that also is very important in the quality of life that we're seeking.

So it turns out that cannabis, if it's used properly, can be very helpful, whereas pretty much nothing else can. So, wow. Can you explain the mechanism? It really tremendous. Oh, it sounds amazing. It sounds incredible. I would like to know the mechanism though, of, you know, what part of, is it the brain that it helps?

Is it the nervous system within the genital area? Uh, can you explain that a little bit of how cannabis can do that and how long does it last? Um, so. The short answer is, I can't give you a very satisfactory answer, but here's what I can tell you. Um, we have receptors in our bodies imaginatively named the cannabinoid receptors, um, that are an important part of normal physiologic function, and they exist pretty much everywhere.

So yes, they're in the genitals, they're in various parts of the brain and, and distributed throughout our body. Um, in varying degrees, depending upon what we're talking, what, you know, what areas we're talking about. Um, what we know is that cannabinoids applied directly to the genitals can have some effect.

It's not a big or overwhelming effect. In fact, if it's applied to the male genitals, it tends not to do much of anything. If it's applied to the female genitals, then there, there may be some benefit kind of locally down there. But what I think is most important for us to understand when we're thinking about sexuality is to understand that most of the action doesn't actually happen down there.

It happens between the ears, right? We are thinking and feeling creatures. And so much of our sexuality and our intimacy is really in our mind and not in our genitals. We think about our genitals, but it's really happening in our brains. And so, um, the idea of applying cannabis to the genitals misses the vast majority of, uh, of where we need the medicine and the benefit that we can get from it.

So, systemic administration of the medicine. Is far more effective than, than topical, than down there. Hmm. Um, and as for exactly what it's doing that I can't answer any more, that I can actually really answer for you what's going on in our brain when we have an orgasm. That's something that's been studied.

Um, and, and we still don't have that answer yet. We're working on it. Thank you. Thank you. You know, when I was, um, researching for my, my husband, I personally have never used any form of, um, medical cannabis in my life at all. And, and I just didn't know it.

Although I recommended for certain patients if they had a major pain syndrome. 'cause I knew about the therapies and there were doctors out there that were such as yourself, um, practicing with medicinal cannabis. But what I did was I went to a dispensary. A local dispensary. I'm, I live in pa, Pacific Palace season in Los Angeles area.

And so I went to it just to figure out what is available, and I was really blown away. I could not believe the different types, not just the strains of different types of, um, mar marijuana or cannabis, I should say, but the, that you can eat it, you can smell it, you can, you know, breathe it in.

Uh, yours, you know, your site is called Inhale md, so I'm assuming that it's from inhalation, meaning you are using a vapors type of instrument that brings in the, uh, THC, um, cannabis, but I was really blown away by all the different types. So if we're talking about, um, having, you know, improving sexual arousal and all that, this could be actually a really good thing that couples can do together, whether they eat it together, edibles, I mean, what do you recommend?

Sure. I think first of all, doing it as uh, a couple is, is hugely important. Um, it's not typically where I would start people, but I think it's a very important part of the process. Um. And, uh, and I also think that, you know, your experience in the dispensary is exactly as we would expect, which is to say that it, that it can be very much like walking into the candy store.

Uh, and it can be very overwhelming and there are lots of, you know, seemingly helpful and friendly people behind the counter who want to tell you all sorts of stuff. The sad reality, however, is the folks behind the counter really don't know what they're talking about from a medical point of view, and their job is to sell a lot of product and they're pretty convincing at it.

So I find that a lot of people end up going to the dispensary and coming away with arms full of stuff that I would never recommend to them, um, and spending a lot more money than I think that they need to. Um, so then to your question of what would I recommend, well, you mentioned edibles, for example.

That's something I tend not to recommend. And the reason for that is this. Um, edibles take a long time to kick in. Mm. And they're also very unpredictable as to when they're gonna kick in. So that doesn't make a great thing for when you're sort of in the spur of the moment and you want to get it on right.

Waiting for this to kick in is kind of a drag on top of that. If you and your partner take the same edible at the same time, there's no, no guarantee or even reason to expect that it's gonna kick in at the same time. Right? So you, you know, my kick in, in, in 40 minutes for her and in 90 minutes for him, and then you're completely mismatched.

So. The edibles, I think, you know, sound good and they certainly look tasty. Um, but I don't think that they're the best option here, um, in this setting. I think that a vaporized cannabis flour, meaning va uh, vaporized, not smoked, um, because it's safer. Um, cannabis flour, meaning weed, um, is the best way to go and that allows us to get the medicine, um, in a safe fashion.

We can use the vaporizer together as a couple so that it becomes part of the foreplay. And, um, it has relatively quick onset, meaning 10 to 15 minutes and it's fairly predictable so we can get everybody going at the same time. So that's typically what I would recommend for, you know, a couple.

Um, but. In the case where one or the other of the couple is having some sexual difficulties and that is part of what we need to, to surmount, then I would definitely recommend that that person not start using cannabis with their partner. First off, I would have that person use cannabis in a very gentle and, and, and, and, uh, cautious fashion.

And then once that starts to kick in for a few times, I would have them, um. You know, masturbate so that they can get a sense of what it is that the cannabis feels like when they're using it, and also the effect it will have on their sexuality. Um, and hopefully also get some sense that it's improving these things, whether it's orgasm or otherwise, so that then when they bring in their partner, um, they have a sort of a sense of mastery or confidence that this is going to work and that they don't have to get, um, you know, another level of concern going on when they should be, um, relaxing into the sexual experience.

Hmm. Is there a chance that you, if you, you know, you know how when someone has alcohol they really can't, uh, they just can't have sex 'cause they're just way too, uh, relaxed or, um, they're just not able to have, um, their, the orgasm that they want. You know how that, that is, is that the same with Yes. Cannabis, that if you have too much, that ends up also throwing off your pleasure?

Yes, absolutely. Um, this is more of a problem for men than it is for women, um, because it turns out, and I don't know that this is immediately obvious to, to most of us, um, but that getting and maintaining an erection is a very active process. You have to, I mean, we don't really think about it, but the point is, there's some part of our brain that is.

Clued into the sexual arousal and paying attention. And that's what keeps us hard. And if we take enough cannabis that we sort of start to really drift away, then, you know, um, then the, the apparatus stops working properly. Um. In fact, this is commonly enough known that there's actually a slang for this, which is donor boner.

Um, so, you know, so for men we need to be really particularly cautious about dosing. Um, so that we land in that sweet spot where as helpful, but not harmful or, or hindering, um, women. I think that there's much more leeway involved because there's just, you know, a, a fair bit more leeway in terms of the mechanics of how the sexuality works for women's anatomy.

Um, which is to say I think that for women, if they get a little bit further out on the limb, uh, in terms of the intoxication, it can still be an enjoyable experience, even if they're not at their sort of most, um, active or acrobatic in this particular lovemaking session.

Um. Uh, and I should say if you get way out on the limb regardless of, of, um, gender, then I think you're gonna be uncomfortable, um, because of the intoxication. And then all bets are off in terms of sexuality. Mm. Uh, you, you know, I would like to know, um, when I went to this dispensary, they, they were at least sharing and educating me 'cause I didn't know all the details.

But they said there was two different kinds. Uh, one was called Sativa and the other one's indica. And uh, the one that my husband needed was the one that was for sleep and pain control, which was the indica. Is that, am I correct on this one? Um. Well, you're correct on what they'll tell you, but they're not correct in what it, what it actually means.

Hmm. Um, so it's a little complicated. The, the reality is that there's a lot of sort of, um, lore that has come down through the decades, uh, you know, in the, in the cannabis culture that has now translated itself into gospel, which gets repeated in the sales process at the dispensary and, um.

You know, one of the major issues is that it has a tendency to be used to sell more product. You know, if you say to somebody who has chronic pain, they come in, they say, have chronic pain, it's like, okay, you need a sativa for the daytime 'cause it's gonna make you energetic and you need a indica at nighttime 'cause it's gonna make you sleepy and control your pain.

And the reality here is that sativa and indica, chemically speaking, are almost completely the same. And, um, and either one will do just fine if it's used properly. Um, meaning an indica during the daytime is fine and a sativa during the evening time is fine. Um, but you know, then they can't sell you twice as many bags of weed.

Mm-hmm. Then what is used particularly for, uh, sexual arousal again, you know, um. Everybody would like to know that there's a particular type, um, that they should be using for a particular, um, problem or looking for a particular solution. And you know, the reality here is it's just not that specific.

So I tend to recommend to people that they use strains that are sort of middle of the road, THC level, so something between 15 and 20% THC. And there are a whole bunch of technical reasons for that, uh, that I don't think we want to get into at the moment.

Um. But other than that, that's really as far as I would go with the specificity of the recommendation, because I think that beyond that, at this point, we either know that some of the differences are, are baloney. Um, and some of the things that are not baloney differences, we don't have the science yet to really be able to say, this is meaningful and this is how you respond to it.

There are chemicals in cannabis that may have different response or cause different responses. Um, but none of this has really been borne out by the literature. And in fact, the literature at this point shows that every time we test one of these sort of gospels, we find that it, it doesn't pan out.

Mm-hmm. So we're still sort of waiting for any of the specificity to be, to be proven at the moment. What I say is we need good medium potency, safe cannabis, and that'll do what we needed to do. Great. I, I, I understand that you also, um, take online virtual appointments to help people and steer them in the right direction for their needs.

Uh, and, and can you just tell us a little bit about Inhale MD before we leave? Sure. Thank you. Um, yes, uh, you know, we've been at this for almost a decade now. Um, and, uh, I have actually given up my physical offices because telemedicine has been working so well, particularly now with this, um, unfortunate virus that we're dealing with.

And, uh, and that's really opened things up to be able to take care of people, you know, throughout the country and even around the world. Um, so we, we take every patient the same way. We start from, you know, from the beginning and we understand what it is that's going on, and then we make recommendations and we follow up with people.

Um, and so, you know, if there are people in California or Ohio or wherever, um, we are more than happy to be able to, uh, assist them. We take this very seriously. Um, this is not some sort of fly by night. Uh, sure. Get a medical card kind of thing.

This is, you know, we, we view this as medicine and we treat people with a respect and dignity that we would expect to treat any patient in any field of medicine. Mm-hmm. And so if people are interested in reaching me, the easiest thing to do is to go to my website, which is inhale md.com.

I'll say it again. It's inhale md.com. And there you'll find over a hundred articles on various subjects so you can kind of get your feet wet and also learn a bit about me so you can, you know, decide whether you want to contact. And then there's a, there's an email form and it comes right to us and we'll get right back to you and we'll start the process.

It's very easy. Well, thank you so much Dr. Tischler. Great information. I, I had a great time talking about this. It's in an area that I'm really not familiar with. Um, but I know it's, it's helpful for so many people and because you are just starting to talk more about this and it, I think it's gonna be amazing for both men and women, um, in the, in the field of sexuality.

Thank you so much. Oh, it's my pleasure. You know, this was a great, great pleasure. And, uh, I hope that there are a few people out there listening that I can connect with and help. 'cause that would make my day. Oh, you bet. I'm sure there will be. Thank you so much.

Have a good one. You too. Oh wow. That was, to me, it's so. So much information about things that of course I don't know much about, about, uh, medical, uh, cannabis. And I wanna learn more about it because I wanna be able to send my patients to individuals such as Dr. Tischler inhale dot inhale md.com, uh, so that people can get help.

This is really about how can we live a better life and enjoy, uh, being with a partner and enjoy ourselves. Even if you don't have a partner, maybe you can enjoy yourself, um, and explore more. In, in that and your sexuality. It's fantastic. Now, I know you've learned a great deal here, so do share the show with your loved ones and it will definitely be able to change you and your, your life and their lives as well.

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Until next time, go out there and live your best life today, full of energy, enthusiasm, and ultimate health and wellness. This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness for Life Show right here on Radio md. Stay well, Jordan, that was great. Ah, cool. Hey, CA, I'm glad you some thought so that's awesome.

Oh yeah, of course. You know, I, I, I'm really glad we just kept on focusing on cannabis and sex. So, uh, I'd like to go ahead and, um, Caitlyn, call our episode Cannabis and Sex. You know, so that cool people can, I think people would want more information about that.

Absolutely. Why not? Why not? And, and, uh, great information. I, you know, I, I realized that I really don't know much about and, but it's not my field and obviously it's not my field Jordan, but I am more and more I was at, um, a gathering. Uh, we were, uh, we all checked ourselves on COD and we got together and made, all of us were negative.

Of course, we got together 25 women, uh, it's called the Unicorn Club. And we were at a special resort down in San Diego. And, um, one of my good friends, girlfriends were talking about how she uses it for sleep. Um, and, and so we, one person had this, um, edible.

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day around 10,000 babies are born in the US and about a third of them are born via cesarean section C-section. Now, this rate has gone up significantly over time, and many in the scientific community believe that that's really higher than it's necessary today. On Wellness for Life, we have Dr. Stewart Fishbein.

He's been an obstetrics and gynecology physician since 1986 and has a long history of supporting holistic births, midwifery, and the alternative to the medical model of childbirth. His lifetime goal is to teach, speak, and write about the normalcy of birth choices, the ethics of respecting a woman's autonomy in decision making, as well as of reasonable evidence supported options of selected vbac, which is vaginal birth after cesarean breach, and twin vaginal births.

Thanks so much for being here, Dr. Stu. Well, thank you Dr. Suzanne. It's a pleasure. Yeah, absolutely. Gosh, you know, how did you get interested in the holistic approach to pregnancy and childbirth? Well, I know we don't, I know we have limited time, so I'm gonna keep my answers, uh, to the shorter side.

But I will just say this. I finished my residency like every other, uh, ob, GYN resident coming out thinking that the medical model that I had learned was the best, the, the best thing that there is. And I, and, uh, thinking that that pregnancy was a disease and that it needs to be treated and that it around every corner lurked some danger.

And that's the model by which almost all residents are trained in the United States and probably in other western countries as well. And when I came out, it was a different era back then, and I was trying to build a practice and I was approached by some local midwives here on the west side of Los Angeles and asked to be their transport physician or to take their backups.

And I said, sure. And I didn't say sure, because I thought midwifery was a good idea. I said Sure. Because I was looking to make money. Okay. Because mm-hmm. You know, you're building a practice from scratch. It's not like you come out now and get a salary from Kaiser and, and work a shift it, you know, you were building a practice.

And so I began to take their, uh, patients and I took their transports and I realized these patients weren't critically ill when they came in. And they were actually quite intelligent and the midwives had a lot to offer. And I began to just sitting around, spending time talking to the midwives, began to pick up things that I never knew and that I was never taught.

And ultimately learned that about 85% of what I knew didn't apply to normal healthy pregnant women. And so I had to unlearn a lot of stuff and, um, pick up a new way of doing things. And of course, what happens when you pick up a new way of doing things is you sort of alienate the medical model people, the administration, and anesthesiologists, the pediatricians, because now you're doing things the way midwives do things.

Um, allowing women to labor without an IV or without being monitored or allowing them to eat or move around. How novel is that? I mean, how, how creative? Um, and yet that's frowned upon by many of the people in academia. And so, um, over time it became, uh, you know, untenable to remain in the hospital setting because I wanted to allow women to have a breached birth or, or a twin birth or a VBAC birth.

And I wanted to allow them to do it as nature intended, which is to be safe, quiet, and unobserved. And that's just not possible in the medical model. Well, gosh. And I learned, so that's the summary, right? You've been a maverick for many, what, 34 years? That's amazing. But what I'd like to note is that a good thing.

Yeah, it is a good thing. Absolutely. Because it's, it's a good thing. Yeah. It's, I, I believe so. More and more people are searching for holistic and natural birthing, but I'd like to know, um, what your feelings are about the main difference between holistic births and the traditional births in the hospital.

What is truly the main difference? Well, a natural birth or holistic birth, uh, um, uh, understands what mammalian birth is all about. And I mentioned briefly that it's supposed to be quiet, safe, and unobserved. And if, you know, if you interrupt what mammals are doing in nature, um, they put out adrenaline and they stop contracting and their labor becomes dysfunctional and they get up and they run away.

And that's nature's designed because it wouldn't serve a mammal well to be giving birth while there's a predator that's approaching. And what we do is we do not respect the mammalian model of birth. And we've altered it to the point where we. Went from having a 5% C-section rate, you know, and 99% of people delivering at home in the early part of the 20th century to a 30 plus per c c-section rate.

And, you know, 99% of people delivering in the hospital. And, and, and we, and we have a better statistics to show for it. I mean, the rate of cerebral palsy, the rate of neonatal death has not changed significantly despite a 500% increases in cesarean section rate. And it's, the difference is, is that medical model looks at pregnancy as a illness that needs to be treated.

And the midwifery model looks at it as a normal function that occasionally goes awry, but it's like breathing or digestion. It's a, it's a normal function of a woman's body. And why are we messing with it all the time? Why, why? That's the question. And when you start to mess with it every time you do something which interfere with mother nature, there is a ripple effect downstream.

Something will be altered. It's, it's, it's a, it's a given. Right now, you know, how about, you mentioned about, uh, the birth. I mean, I, I, you know, when, if there's any statistic issues with neonatal deaths, but how about maternal deaths? Are there any differences in that? Well, it's hard to compare because you, you know, generally home birth, especially with midwives, they're cherry, cherry-picking their clients, right?

They're not, they're not dealing with women who have significant medical problems. Somebody with, you know, uh, congenital heart disease or, you know, uh, severe hypertension or type one diabetes or so, the women that are at higher risk of maternal mortality, which of course is also from cesarean section as well.

Um, though, you know, it so you, it's, it's really apples and oranges. Um, but the idea that a normal, uh, woman who's healthy, who goes into labor is, is there's a significant risk for maternal mortality in, in either location is wrong. It's, it's a maternal mortality is very small.

Especially in western countries, even, even in the, even in the hospital setting, uh, it's, it's, it's a small number. So to focus on that I think is wrong because, you know, then you're focusing on the, on the one 10th of one 10th of 1% rather than, than, than the good things that come along with the idea of a holistic birth.

Do you, uh, treat the patient differently? Meaning like prenatal care when the, the woman comes to you, the pregnant mom, uh, what is the difference? Is there any differences in the prenatal care up to the birthing process? Yeah, there's a significant difference in the prenatal care, in the midwifery model of care.

Prenatal visits, um, generally run around the same frequency as they do in o in the OB model, you know, about every four weeks or so, but we're not rigid about it, but about every four weeks or so until 28 weeks, and then every two weeks till 36 weeks and then weekly, that's a pretty standard thing.

But again, nobody really knows where that came from. I'm not sure exactly why we do that. It's just something that's been done that way for a really long time, and so people just keep doing it. But the prenatal visits in the midwifery model generally are about an hour long.

And in an hour you can cover things like nutrition and sleep and stress reduction and relationships and answer questions, and you get to know people and developing a. Confident, uh, um, shared relationship with shared decision making. When you have time to go through issues, like we don't hand somebody a bottle of sugar water at 28 weeks and say, here, drink this.

We're gonna draw your sugar. All right. We, we, we give them options about diabetes screening and why it's, why it's a good thing and why we do it, or why we don't do it. And here's the different choices if you wanna do it. And here's the things. If you don't wanna do it, and this takes time, and in the medical model, there just isn't time.

They have to do volume in order to make a living. It's, I mean, Suzanne, Dr. Suzanne, the whole system is not set up to deal with the individual woman. It's really set up for, um, like assembly line, um, algorithmic practices where everyone gets the same sort of treatment and everybody, and when people get out of line, there's just no time.

To deal with it in that system because even the reimbursement is backwards. I mean, hospitals are paid more for cesarean section than they're for a vaginal delivery. And you, the vaginal delivery takes much more time and skill than a cesarean section does. And if sure if hospitals got paid more for a vaginal delivery than cesarean, you probably see a sudden drop in the cesarean rate.

Right. And if doctors got paid more for obstetrical care, they could spend more time with each individual woman during her prenatal visits. But the average woman, you know, she's probably nodding her head right now saying, yeah, I get about six or minutes with my OB if I'm lucky, and that's it.

Whereas with a midwife, you're gonna get 45 minutes to an hour. Wow. Do you can't possibly cover the same things. Right. That's such a great point. Do you recommend, uh, your patients to also still go into, uh, all of the genetic testing? Oh, Yeah. We, I mean, the midwifery model doesn't cut corners on informed consent.

So we all the same. Um, tests and options that you get an obstetrical. There's ultrasound, there's genetic testing. There's, we, uh, you know, a of our, here's the pros and cons of, of not doing a culture. Here's what we would do. If it's positive, here's what we do. It's I mean, you've been a long time outspoken advocate for women's rights, uh, to inform consent.

That's what you're doing. You're giving them information and making the patient decide what do they want. It's really, they're the ones that makes the last, uh, um, uh, you know, the decision is up to the mother. Yeah. There's not just one way of doing things. And, and unfortunately in many practices, there's, there's only one way.

And if you deviate from that one way, then you, um, are causing trouble. And you're often labeled in certain HMO systems, you're labeled as a noncompliant patient because you, you know, you're refusing to give your baby hepatitis B shot, alright? Or if you're refusing vitamin K or you're refusing this, or you're refusing to be induced at 39 weeks, you don't want to be induced.

You want to wait. You, you want a vbac and you're, and, and they think you shouldn't have one. So you're non-compliant. It, it, it, it's just, it's not a very good system for honoring the idea of, of giving informed consent and then allowing autonomy and decision making. Because ultimately when you allow autonomy and decision making, even when something doesn't go as well as you'd like, the, the, the family feels like, well, yeah, but this was our decision.

Alright. We weren't railroaded, we weren't coerced, we weren't, um, uh, skewed down a path to choose what you wanted us to choose. We were given information, we made this choice. Yeah, we probably should have given the baby antibiotics and now the baby's in the nicu. But, but, but we didn't.

That was our choice. And there's far less liability in that system. Um, and there's far more, you know, um, just, just relationships. I mean, you, you, you develop, you become, you know, I don't want to use the word friends, but you become, um, really. I mean, I watch midwives with them.

You be, midwives, have this saying that you're a midwife for life. So a midwife that becomes, uh, takes care of you and delivers your children, you know, they, they, that relationship never ends. 10, 15 years later, they'll be calling about their daughter's first period and they'll call their midwife because they have a relationship with that person.

It's really, it's really a, a great model of care and the satisfaction for midwives don't gonna get rich. And, and we don't, we don't get rich doing this model, but we really enjoy what we do. And I even though the hours sometimes are, are, can I say suck on your, um, on your podcast?

Yes, go ahead. Even though the hour, even though the hours suck. All right. The satisfaction is really good, and I can be honest with you. Um, when I was practicing the hospital setting, there was a lot of drudgery on labor and delivery, and there were not a lot of happy obstetricians.

Mm-hmm. Makes sense. Absolutely. People, people can think about that themselves and see if that's true for them or not. Right. Right. Well, it sounds to me that you really do enjoy your, the way you're servicing. And more and more. I, I do know that more and more women and families, uh, couples are, are choosing to go natural choosing.

And I, I think that there's, there's not enough of you, in fact, Dr. Stu, there's not enough doctors that take your approach, that take your philosophy, that are interested in the health and wellness of both, uh, mother and baby. And, and I'm hoping there's more and more doctors that will start to learn from you.

Do you te do you teach, um, OBGYNs your work? No, I teach midwives. OBGYNs are not prepared for this. The, the, the model by which they're taught doesn't allow for these sorts of things. And that's a shame because to me, to call yourself an obstetrician and not know how to do a breach delivery.

Or not and know how to put forceps on. Um, you, you, you, you can call yourself whatever you want, but by my definition, you're not really an obstetrician. And, and I think that the curiosity of the medical students is great. I think it gets beaten out of them in residency, and I think they get trained by medical maternal fetal medicine specialists who are medically oriented.

Mm-hmm. And, um, you know, a c-section is just a, is just an easy way out. And look at there, there are many ways to do something. I mean, people cherry pick their data and this is a problem we have. Even if you look at the, uh, whole coronavirus thing now, and people there, there's good, there, there are people that say, follow the science and they say, okay, you must wear a mask and you must be locked down.

But there are other scientists who say, masks don't work and you don't need to be locked down like the Barrington Declaration and those people. So why do we choose to pick one group of scientists and trust them and ignore the other scientists? And the same thing in my profession.

I mean, there's, I, the answer to that is essentially cognitive dissonance and, and confirmation bias, but, or there's some ideology behind it. But in my profession, American College, ob, GYN supports breach delivery. Alright? Yet, academia is not teaching it anymore. Alright? Now why is that? Now what you're saying is, uh, teaching them with your breach.

Let's, let's talk about breach. Breach delivery basically means the child's head is not, uh, down. It's not the one that's coming out first, the butt first. It's actually the butts first. The first, yeah. And so then when you do deliver, you don't change. You don't, do you ever move the babies, uh, uh, position Or do you just breach?

Uh, do you deliver it with a butt first? Well, for women who have very little choices, there is something called an external version where you can try at 37, 38, 39 weeks, you can try to turn the baby. You know, it's an uncomfortable procedure and it. Um, depending on your, uh, parody, which is how many kids you've had before and how much fluid you have, it may work a certain percentage of the time, and sometimes it's got a very low success rate, but it's uncomfortable.

Um, in my practice, if that's the only choice they have or it's an economic decision, we try to turn the baby, but ultimately, uh, of breach babies, if you know what you're doing and you, and you follow proper selection guidelines, the outcomes for breach babies are very similar to the outcomes of head down babies and a breach labor will succeed or not succeed for the same reason that a head down, um, babies succeeds.

And so when we have in, in my practice, we go through the numbers and we talk about the risks, and sometimes they get into, doctors will talk about relative risk. Oh, it's twice as risky to do this birth, this birth this way, then this way. But twice as risky doesn't mean anything if you don't know what the denominator is.

So you have to know what the actual risk is. And the actual risk of injury or a bad outcome from a breached birth that's properly selected is actually quite small. People would be remarkably, but, but it, but that's not what they're told when they go to the doctor's office.

So we're choosing right to, to follow one group of scientists and ignore another group of scientists who think differently. And if you ask a doctor who thinks breach is dangerous, if you had him take a lie detector test, he would pass. Right. Oh, wow. And if you asked me to take a lie detector test saying that breach is not dangerous, I would pass.

So neither one of us is lying. It's, it's sort of, well, some people are lying. You should say that. But, but, but some people are just not taught it, and they're taught that it's dangerous and they never look any further than their nose. I think that's the same thing for twin births.

I mean, or for, for twin birth births being delivered naturally. That's really unheard of. But you've, you've done it. Do you do a lot of twin births? Well, you know, it, it depends what a lot, I, I haven't done enough to reach physical significance, but I am working on my a twin paper.

I published a breach paper a couple years ago and I'm now up to 85, um, uh, sets of twins who've been delivered at home. So, you know, that's probably more than anybody in the world. But I mean, except for mid, I mean, there are midwives who've been doing it for 40 years who have done more.

Uh, my friend Cynthia, he has been doing it. I'm sure Inna May has done more than me, but as far as current or obs right now, I'm sure there's nobody that's done more. I mean, but 85 may sound like a lot to some people, not a lot to other people, but, you know, it's starting to get, you can start to see trends with 85.

It, it doesn't reach statistical significance, but you can really see that these things can be done. And if they don't wanna do them in the, in the, in the home, then at least you could offer these things in the hospital. The reason I get a lot of clients is because they're not being given the option of a holistic type.

Experience in the hospital and they don't want that. And there are other options, but they're just not available in hospitals that are run, you know, as, as I said earlier, basically on an algorithmic model where risk management and administration are making the decisions not individual, patient with their individual practitioner.

Mm. 85 to me sounds so many, that's, that's incredible. But, uh, and, and if at all there there's complications, you, are you connected to a hospital that you can go ahead and continue the birthing process? No, it doesn't work that way. Um, for many reasons, but I'll just say simply no.

Um, when I left the hospital practice in 2010, um, first of all, I never expected that I would be doing home birthing when I started out in my life, but. You know, circumstances went in a certain way, and now I, I'm, I'm, I'm really fortunate because I'm very happy to be doing it the way I'm doing it.

Um, I wouldn't wanna go back and work at a hospital again, but because of malpractice considerations, insurance considerations, that sort of thing, it is, it's not tenable economically to do both. And so, no. But we have some colleagues in the hospital who are like-minded, who, you know, they're not ready to take the leap to home birthing, but they're all but they're willing to ba to back up and support, uh, midwives or me, which is what I did for 25 years before I left the hospital setting.

Right. Now we're, that's what your practice, how can we learn more about you and your work? And I understand you even have a podcast, which is amazing. So can you share with us what you kind of, do you have a website and, uh, yeah. Is your practice in doesn't Southern California still?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I, I practice in Southern California. I, I also have a license in Utah. But, um, I, you know, I've done a couple of births in Utah for as, uh, uh, just sort of a coincidence, but I'm in southern California, but I, but I do practice all over Southern California.

So I've done, uh, births, like breaches and twins all the way from San Luis Obispo down to the Mexican border. Um, I prefer to not have to drive so much, but there are so few choices down here. People can find me through my website, which is birthing instincts.com. And, uh, my podcast is dr stu podcast.com and you can find it right on Apple Podcast like yours or, uh, on Spotify or any of those other podcast places.

It's Dr. Stu podcast. Um, and, uh, yeah, I've been doing it since 2013. Fantastic. Fantastic. So I was an early podcaster. Right. Fantastic. Thanks so much Dr. Stu. So glad to have you here and share with us. Gosh, there's so many alternatives out there for women, family, and uh, and just great information.

Thanks again. Yeah, you're welcome. I would, my last thing I would say is for any woman who's pregnant, who doesn't really have a significant medical problem, before you make a decision about who you're gonna use as a practitioner, consult a midwife. Alright? You get a different viewpoint. It may not be for you, but at least you'll understand which, uh, that there's a different choice out there.

So that if you choose to go with the obstetric model, that you made a choice, not because you thought it was the only model or you were coerced, it's because you wanted it. And that's fine. And that's absolutely fine there. There's a very good indication for women who wanna go to the hospital who wanna possibly have an epidural who, you know, who feels safer there.

Absolutely fine. We're not against that. Alright? Um, but, but for those who work in the hospital who think that the home birth model is so crazy, that's because they don't know. And you always sort of. Fear what you don't understand. That is correct. Whatever you don't know you, you wanna veer away from.

And I really appreciate your candid information and such. It's a great conversation that we've gotta continue to have. And, um, thank you again. For more information, go to birthing instincts.com and for dr stews podcast.com. You can get a lot of information there 'cause he has, I believe, weekly, um, weekly shows.

Thanks so much. Okay. Gosh, I know you've learned a great deal, really great valuable information, so do share the show with your loved ones. It can definitely change their life for the better. And please subscribe if you haven't already, so we can continue to do our very best here on Wellness for Life.

If you need help in digging deeper with your health issues, I work with people globally through phone and Skype consultations. My contact info is available on my website, dr suzanne.com. Until next time, go out there. Live your best life today, full of energy, enthusiasm, and ultimate health and wellness.

This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness for Left Show right here on Radio md. Stay well. Oh my God, it was so awesome. Thanks, Stu. Really great to have you. You know, I, I, I've never, I've never gotten so much into 20 minutes of my life.

Yeah. Well, that's great. That's a good point. Yes. You pick 20 minutes, Suzanne. Because, because it's like, it's like peak listening amount that people have time for. Some of the, we do go up to about 25 minutes, but that's absolutely correct. Is that I like, I like to talk about all the really details and get great information and things that people can do right away.

Um, you know, strategies, giving tips and informational, and that's, that's why I like it a short period of time. Yeah, I agree with you. People's attentions ban is hard. When I see a, like a Jordan Peterson podcast, that's, that's two hours long. Oh my gosh. I, I cannot, yeah.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Although he's a very interesting character, but that's his, that's his, you know, I'm a little bit fast. You can tell. Just in my, my way I speak. Well, you talk back a little bit. He talk slow and I, and I talk fast also, so, which is great.

It was awesome. You have a great voice this. Enjoy. I, I hope it, I hope it can. Caitlyn, will you send me the, um, the link when this gets put up? That'd be great. Awesome. Thank you for sharing it. I, okay. Thank you. Thanks, Stu. You have a good one.

Have a great weekend. Thank you dear. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All

right, so we've got Loretta, I'll be right back. Go and grab her. Dr.

Friedman, this is Calin with Radio md. Good. How are you, Calin? Good. I do have Dr on the line. She just away real quick. Cheryl, how's it going for you today? It's good. Good. We do these block of interviews once a month. Nice. Oh no, it's fine. It's fine.

Listen, speaker phone, I'm, I'm, I'm on speaker phone, is that okay? Sure.

This better? Great. Not a problem. Yeah, not a problem. Thank you so much. Sure, sure. Sure. Hi, Dr. Loretta. I'd like to know Hey, doctor Suzanne. Hey. Is it Friedman or Friedman? Friedman. Friedman. Friedman. Fantastic. Excellent. Right. It's, it's a, it's a Jewish, it's a Jewish equivalent to, uh, Jones or Brown or Smith.

I've gotcha. Well, I'm married to, I'm married to a Jewish man, but I always ask about the way it's pronounced 'cause you just don't know, you know. Oh yeah. No, no, it's fine. Free Friedman. Thank you. Okay. Whenever you're ready. Caitlin. How's

it going for you today, Dr. Suzanne? Oh, real good. Um, we're just about to start recording and, um, okay. And we can, uh, Kaitlyn's gonna give us a countdown. The

lymphatic system is a network of tissues and channels that help rid the body of toxins, waste, and other unwanted materials. Now, the primary, primary function of the lymphatic system is a transport lymph. This is a fluid that contains infection, fighting white blood cells throughout the body. Now, the lymphatic system primarily consists of all forms of channels, but this, this lymphatic system is super important in that it will filter out such as.

Within the tonsils. We know about the adenoids, we know also about the spleen, right? These are the, uh, lymphatic system. But the area we will focus on today is the breast lymphatic system and why it's so important to actively drain the lymph lymph system of the breast. Dr. Loretta Friedman is a chiropractic physician specializing in metabolic detoxification, anti-aging, and women's health, and is the creator of lymph biologics.

This is a unique form of lymphatic drainage technique. Welcome to Wellness for Life. Dr. Loretta, thank you. Thank you so much for having me today. I'm very excited. Yay. Yay. Well, gosh, let's go right into what lymphatic drainage is and why is it so important for optimal health. Well, lymph drainage, the lymphatic system is what delivers the immune response, okay?

So it doesn't matter whether it's an illness or an injury or a trauma, it's the lymphatic system that helps the body, uh, cope with or heal from whatever it is that's going on. So let's say you sprain your ankle, right, and it blows up like an orange or a grapefruit, that's all lymphatic fluid.

That fluid is actually, um, an innate, uh, ability of the body to try to, uh, mitigate any further damage from going on to your ankle. That's why it swells and it gets all inflamed like that. You can't weight bear on it. You can't move it, and that's the body's way of telling you, uh, uh, you need to let this heal.

You need to let this, you know, do its thing before you can use it again. Um, in my world, um. The, the lymphatic system is key and important because it, it contains or it holds on to toxicity. This is what the problem is with the lymph system in today's day and age, that, um, it, it holds onto all kinds of toxicity in these toxins create blockages and stagnation that don't allow the lymph to flow properly.

And when the lymphatic system does not flow properly, it, it causes things like autoimmune diseases and or cancers. And for women like us, the, the. Stagnation and the blockages of the lymph occur specifically in our breast tissue because this is mostly lymphoid tissue. So those toxins that become stagnant and blocked that cause cancer and autoimmune disease.

This happens in our breast tissue. In 2014, there was a study that was done that showed when they tested women's breast tissue, it tested positive for 17 different dangerous chemicals that all cause cancer and autoimmune. So this is a very real thing. This is not, you know, a theory, this is not imagined.

This is something that goes on and that nobody is really looking at or addressing or, uh, you know, able to help women in a way that it reduces the incidence of cancer and or autoimmune diseases that are occurring in the female population. Uh, do you think that then you're saying is that pretty much all women have toxins in our breast?

Um, not all. Okay. Some people are able to detox, some people are able to transport toxicity out of their systems through the liver and out through the urine and the feces without a problem. But there are a number of people in this country, in this world that cannot do that.

They don't have this ability to detoxify themselves and these toxins build and they cause disease and they cause illness. They, you know, they can be, and the, the toxicity, the exposure is in the air that we breathe and the water that we drink and the foods that we eat.

These are all filled with chemicals and pesticides and antibiotics and steroids. And these get into our system and not everybody can get them out. Uh, you know, equally. I think that, um, you know, one of the things, not just because of the lymphatics, but the breast tissue is a fatty tissue.

There's a lot of fat in it as well. Correct. And, uh, fat has a tendency to hold onto toxins, more toxins that all the toxins that were exposed to, the pesticides, as you're saying, solvents, um, heavy metals, these are all, uh, lipophilic. I mean, they, it loves fat. So it's stable.

It's stable in fat and stores in fat. So it totally makes sense that we want to improve, uh, removal of these toxins through lymph flat lymphatic drainage techniques. You know, I tell my patients, I dunno about you, Dr. Loretta, but I tell my patients women to, uh, wear bras that have, don't have the wires, you know, the wireless ones, not the pushup bras, and the one that has, gives you absolutely maximum support because I really think that the restriction right, increases that stagnation of lymph system and promotes toxicity of the breast.

A Absolutely. It doesn't allow the breasts to drain. It's, it's pinching them and it's holding them, uh, so tightly. And the other thing is, is how many women, how many women do you know that are well endowed that wear a bra to bed? Okay that we are a bra 24 7 because the, you know, they, they're just not comfortable with the girls hanging out without some support.

This is, you know, this is what they say, and that is the worst thing that you can do to have that kind of compression going on to. All the time, all the time, all the time. You, you have to let your breasts move. You have to let them breathe.

You have to let them flow a little bit, you know? And there are many, many things like, um, dry brushing that people can do to, even if you're not suffering from something like lymphedema or, uh, you know, a lymph problem, just to move the fluid in your body just to get the circulation going.

Um, you know, this is something that women can do in the shower for themselves every day. Start at the wrist and work down towards the heart and towards your chest, and then do the other side and work towards your heart. As long as it's always coming back towards the heart.

This is how you remove fluid, you know, and toxicity from your body. Right? So, so we all have this drainage, uh, tissue that goes and drains towards the heart, which means it's the left side of the body and you wanna go ahead and move that. And is that what your program is about?

Is that you actually teach this for women? I teach women, um, how to, um, any, let me back up for one second. So anybody, any woman who has lumpy, bumpy, tender breasts has toxicity in her system, whether it's hormonal imbalance and the lumpy, bumpy tenderness only happens once a month and it's elevated estrogen levels, or she has fibrous tissue that's lumpy, bumpy all the time.

Um, that is toxin, that is represent representative of toxicity in the body. What I teach women is I teach women how to, um, eat, um, and avoid foods that create inflammation in the body. I teach women how, uh, breathing is very important and essential, uh, to get the lymphatic.

Uh, system moving, how to wear loose clothes and don't wear things that are too tight, uh, you know, around their body because this is a problem. So, you know, and how to, um, also avoid, um, you know, uh, stressful situations. It, which is mostly impossible, but, you know, we can, we can try, you know, you know.

How do you feel about, uh, the, those stockings that their medical stockings that help you with, um, swollen ankles, swollen legs? Do you believe in that? The compression dressings that, uh, people wear for the swollen arms and the swollen legs. Yes. That can help with helping fluid come back to the heart.

The limb system has no pump. Okay? It's not like the circulatory system that has your heart beating and it's moving blood through your system. The only way that the lymph moves is through muscle. So every time you walk, every time you take a step, every time you move, the, the lymph gets squeezed and it, and it moves through your body.

So, um, people who have, um, um, you know, suffer from lymphedema, which is 10 million people in this country, that is a big number, 10 million. Okay. Um, more people suffer from, uh, lymphedema. In this country than they do any other, uh, diseases combined, like multiple sclerosis, A LS, Parkinson's disease and AIDS combined don't outnumber the number of people who suffer from lymphedema in this country.

But the compression dressings, compression, uh, stockings can be very helpful, but in and of themselves, they don't really do anything. Okay. They don't remove the toxicity. The key to getting rid of lymphedema is removing the toxins. It's also why lymphatic massage is, forgive me, is a bit of an oxymoron because it doesn't get rid of the toxins, it pushes the fluid around, and it may reduce the circumference of a limb or an arm, or a leg, but it doesn't get at the core problem, which is the toxicity that's causing the blockage and the stagnation of the lymph.

So, you know, it's only half measures. Got it. So full body exercise would be very, uh, beneficial to help you with moving the lymph, but how, yes. How do we get the toxins out of the tissue? Now, um, you, you do teach breast lymphatic massage, I believe, but how do, how, what is your methodology of getting the toxins out?

So, first thing, the thing that I do is I do, you would know this, you would be familiar with this. Do you know what a bio impedance analysis is? You know what those are? Sure. Mm-hmm. So, um, I, I do a cell test. I do what I call an aging analysis to all the patients that come into my office who have, um.

Uh, lymph problems because this test, um, yields a tremendous amount of inflamm uh, information regarding what kind of shape your cells are in. So I can see if the cells are aging prematurely. I can see if there are any nutritional deficiencies that are present. But for lymphedema patients, what's key is a shift of fluid from.

Inside the cell to outside the cell. That shift from inside to outside is indicative of toxicity. So I can see just how toxic somebody is, and depending on how much toxicity somebody has in their system, will lead me to either order additional tests like a urine test for heavy metal or hepatic urine tests for hepatic function or a stool test for leaky gut.

And from there we can know very specifically what may be the problem and why these people are not able to detoxify themselves. But for those people who just have toxicity and aren't able to do further testing, it'll lead me to believe if it's the numbers are high, let's say they have heavy metals present.

So I create. Protocols for them that include homeopathics, that include chelators, that include supplements that will help to pull out and remove the toxins from their body. And these are all, uh, created individually for each person. 'cause no two people are the same. So, you know. Thank you. What works for one doesn't work for another necessarily.

For the listeners who, um, don't know what bio impedance analysis is, it's actually similar to a body composition analysis where there's a machine and it reads your electrical current, but it really reads, um, and it, it helps you look at how much fat percentage you have, how much muscle mass you have, and how much water you've got.

And the, the looking at the water regarding the intracellular inside the cell, you want it to be anywhere from 55 to 60% and then outside the cell where you want less. You don't want all the water outside the cell. You want the cell to be hydrated, so you want the outside to be having a less amount, whether it's 35 to 40% of the water.

So that's what Dr. Lore is talking about and she's use, she uses that to, to indirectly look at possibly the toxicity level within your system. Exactly. I have a, that shift, that 60 40 ratio is ideal. And when that's off, it lends you to believe that the cell is losing fluid in order to dilute the toxins that are in the system there.

So, and that fantastic dilution is what shrinks the cell because you're absolutely right. You want the cell to be nice and plump and grape, like you do not want it to be shrinking like a raisin or a p prune. Very good. Now, now let's talk about men. Now men have breasts too.

And as we are increasing in this country of obesity, you naturally men have more breast tissue and they get larger. Uh, they're called man boobs if you want. So should men also act, uh, actively create lymphatic drainage within themselves too? Yeah, I mean, if men are suffering from, you know, from excess fat in and around their, you know, breast area, they should be concerned about the fact that they may be holding onto toxicity in that tissue as well.

But to be perfectly honest with you, I believe wholeheartedly that the prostate is what. Is what detoxifies toxicity in men. This is why all prostates are become cancerous at such a, you know, becoming cancerous at such an early, early age now. But it's the prostate that actually filters toxicity.

And this is why all prostates, if men lived long enough, they'd all die of prostate cancer. Something else doesn't kill them first. Um, because the toxicity that the prostate is filtering is just gathering in there for all these years. And because toxicity is so high in the environment now that men are coming up with.

Prostate cancer at younger and younger ages because they're tox, they're, they're not able to detoxify all the, these toxins. And I wish somebody would do a study. I wish somebody would test men's prostates just like they did women's breast tissue to see, to find these toxic, you know, chemicals.

Because I really do believe they're there. I really do believe that that's what's going on. That the prostate is the filter for toxicity in men. And, you know, they don't pay attention to that. I agree about that. Dr. Loretta. I, I know I, I've done studies on the prostate.

I'm looking what I mean by the studies. I, I researched about it and there was a study that came out about, I guess about five years ago, and specifically it, it spoke about it, they found out that men who actually ejaculate more often as they get older, not that they're doing more, but they continue to ejaculate regularly, they have less likelihood of prostate cancer.

And that's because again, I, I, I always say that the prostate's like a vacuum cleaner of the men men's body. It just sucks in everything and all the chemicals and toxins and dirt. And so it needs to be, it needs to, um, remove, you need to go ahead and flush it out.

And the best way to do that is through ejaculation. Right. Absolutely. It needs to be squeezed. It needs to be compressed so you can, you know, get whatever's in there out, so. Right. And you know, the problem, the problem is, is that you know, all these, all these men are on statin drugs, you know, they're all on statins and the statins.

Lower their cholesterol. So cholesterol is the building block for sex hormones. So their testosterone levels are low. So now they're all taking, you know, now you see all these commercials for testosterone for men because their testosterone levels have sunk. So even though they have the little per, you know, the little blue pill, they don't really, they have no desire to put it anywhere, even though they can, because their testosterone levels are so low, you know, and they don't necessarily go to the doctor to address this, you know, they don't talk about it.

Right. Uh, as freely as women do. So, you know, they find it embarrassing or whatever. So, yeah. So they, they can put it somewhere, but they don't have a desire to, and they're not telling anybody. So it's not getting, the prostate isn't getting squeezed the way it's supposed to.

Absolutely. Right. Thank you. Yeah. I would like to ask you on another, you know, direction here. Is it safe for women to practice breast massage if you have cancer, breast cancer specifically? To practice breast massage, you know, breast lymphatic drainage. Uh, is it is Can women Oh no. Who have breast cancer do it?

No, I, oh no, absolutely. I, I treat women with breast cancer all the time and, um, it gets rid of all that inflammation and all that, uh, tightness and all that heaviness that goes on, um, you know, pre and postoperatively. You know, I see a lot of post-op women, um, after they've had the breast cancer removed or lumpectomy.

And, uh, I have to tell you, the healing and the decrease in infection is amazing compared to those women who they pull the drains out too quickly and they send them home and, you know, they're still swelling and they're still inflamed and the fluid's gathering and the next thing you know, they're back in the hospital and they're on antibiotics.

And yeah, I can avoid all that. So I can, you know. Yeah, get them through all of that very, very nicely. Um, but how about the, how about the thought of, how about the thought of possibility of spreading, uh, rogue cancer cells? You know what I, I, I don't believe that's true because you are, you are, the cancer cells are more likely to spread through the blood vessels than they are through the lymphatic system.

The lymph is designed to, you know, try to eradicate and, uh, stop, uh, these cancer cells. So, you know, uh, I really do believe that the cancer is spread through and we know that, you know, once, uh, neogenesis occurs, you know, with cancer. That's, you know, that's it. You know, you have a, you know, more of a metastatic situation going on.

So that's why I like, I like, um, uh, thermography, you know, as a, as a test for breast cancer. Much, much better than mammography, because mammography doesn't really tell you anything. At least the thermography will show you if there's any neogenesis or any new blood supply that might be getting created that says, uhoh, you know, this, this could be, you know, a cancerous situation here.

Let's, you know, we have to get serious where mammography doesn't tell you that it doesn't, you know, and you can walk around like that for much too long, and then it's, and then you have full blown cancer, you know, that could have been dealt with a year or more earlier if the proper testing, you know, had been done.

So. Got it. You know, and it's a shame. Thank you. I, I, you know, yeah. I don't know why they don't, uh, pay for, you know, thermography. So, got it. I've had thermography myself 'cause I, I don't like, uh, radiation. I'd rather choose. Mm-hmm. Choose. I choose not to.

So I use thermography, uh, for my own. Yeah. No, it works well and it sure does. Excellent. We only have a couple more minutes left. Can you give us some tips on what women and men can do to improve our lymph system for breast health? Sure. Um, first thing that, like I said, first thing that somebody can do is they can try to, um, eat right or eat well.

Um, you can try to avoid, uh, inflammatory foods, things like dairies, things like grains, um, you know, try to eat. What, what I'm saying, I'm so sorry Dr. Loreta, I've actually meant the physical, the physic, physically. How do you. Um, improve the lymph drainage by the physical action of massaging your lymph.

Oh, well, uh, deep breathing. Okay. Along with dry brushing, uh, deep breathing. Uh, things like yoga are very, uh, helpful. Hot and or cold showers can be very helpful to dilate the blood vessels, you know, and then the cold shower, um, uh, shrivels the blood vessels, you know, shrinks them.

Um, you know, other treatments, like I said, you want to avoid, uh, tight clothing. You want to, um, uh, get enough sleep. Sleep is key. People do not realize that not getting enough sleep can really alter their health. People think six, you know, five and six hours is, is, they're good, you know, they're good to go.

And, and that's it. That's all they need and is not true. We really need eight hours of sleep or even more nine hours of sleep to let the body rest. Um, you know, and I. Really tell people to try and avoid sugar, uh, as much as possible because sugar is a huge, huge inflammatory component that helps to, you know what I mean?

That just, uh, doesn't allow the lymph to drain properly. It contributes to it. And as I mentioned earlier, trying to relieve stress as much as possible is also key because the adrenal glands produce inflammation. When, when you have intermittent, uh, cortisol production throughout the day as a stress reaction, you're producing in inflammation in your system, that inflammation is the lymph, the lymph goes to whatever area in your body of involvement.

And, and it gets stuck there. So you have a lot of aches, you have a lot of pains when people are really stressed out, this is why they're achy. You know what I mean? And they're cranky and they, you know, everything hurts because the lymph fluid is getting stuck in the tissue and it's not able to get out.

So these are some of the tips. These are some of the tips that I try to, you know, give my patients. Mm. Uh, you know, I just wanna make a, just mention that when, when we do have adrenal stress and cortisol, uh, I think the swelling, what you meant was probably the swelling that occurs when you have a lot of cortisol rather than inflammation.

Like inflammation. Cortisol is naturally supposed to reduce inflammation in our body, right? It, it's very much like an anti-inflammatory. But what the cortisol does is it increases water retention and, and it does cause swelling. Is that what you're, you're right, that's okay. Gotcha. Exactly. That, that water, that water retention is lymph and that, right, that lymph is what causes all the aches and all the pains and, you know, causes a, causes a problem, you know, in, in our bodies.

Oh gosh. Great information. Dr. Loa, where can we find more about you and your work? Um, you can go to my website, um, synergy Health Associates. Uh, synergy with an S and Associates, also with an S plural. Um, I'm also on Instagram, uh, same thing, synergy Health Associates. Um, you can, um, uh, email me at Dr. Loretta.

Uh, DR Loretta at, doctor spelled out loretta.com. Um, or people can call the office. Um, you know, I answer the phone. I talk to everybody, Dr. Suzanne, there isn't anybody who comes in here that I haven't had a conversation with previously. The office number here is 2 1 2 2 4 3 5 5 1 5 and that's a direct number here.

So thank you. Gosh, thanks so much for generous time and your information. Synergy health associates.com. I know that people that are listening here are gonna get such value. Thank you again, Dr. Loretta. I appreciate it. Thank you. Listen, have a wonderful holiday season, okay? Ah, you too. You too.

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This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness for Live Show right here on Radio md. Stay well. Thank you. Thank you, Loretta. Oh, thank you so much. I'm sorry. I know I'm a little long-winded. Thank you for clarifying some of my blah, blah, blah. No worries. No, no, no.

It was wonderful. I so appreciate it. Have a great weekend. We have another interview to, to, um, have right now, so we're gonna have to get off. Thank you. Yeah, no, no. Don't let me keep you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay. Bye-bye. Okay. Bye-bye. Do

you think that she was eating? Oh,

it is. Okay. It felt like she was eating while we were talking. I mean, I didn't notice anything. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. Very good. Kne Kne, I think it's Kne, but Kne quarter. Oh,

there we are. Hi,

can you hear me? Hello? Yes, how are you? I'm great. How are you? Okay,

great today. Hey, Suzanne. Hey girl. So glad to have you here. Can't wait to talk about hypnotherapy. I know that the, um, uh, the, I think the episode was gonna be about hypnotherapy just in general, but I added the title Hypnotherapy for Wealth and Abundance. Is that okay? Ooh, yeah.

Alright, because I want us to really focus on that, you know, that's your expertise and we'll dive into other little things, but I really wanna just continue to, uh, support what you really love to do and, uh, and so we'll, we'll talk a lot about that, that aspect. Is that cool?

Okay. Yeah, that's perfect. Awesome. Um, Caitlin, she sounds really good. So we can start, it's about 25 minutes Kne. Okay. Alright. We'll get the countdown from Caitlin Hypnotherapy,

also referred to as guided hypno hypnosis. Lemme try it again. Sorry about that. Hypnotherapy also re referred to as guided hypnosis uses relaxation, extreme concentration, and intense attention. To achieve a heightened state of consciousness or mindfulness, the individual is guided by the hypnotherapist into an altered state of awareness.

Now, research suggests that suggests that hypnosis may provide a wide range of benefits for multitude of psychological, physical, and behavioral issues and conditions such as addictions, grief, anxiety, pain control, PTSD, weight loss, and even cessation of smoking. But today we're gonna go go. We're gonna go into a deep dive on Hypnotherapy for Wealth and Abundance with Kne der.

She is a clinical hypnotherapist specializing stress and money manage management, and the CEO and founder of Presidential Lifestyle. So great to have you here on Wellness for Life. K. Hi. So good to be here. How are you? Awesome. Awesome. I love talking about hypnotherapy. 'cause I will tell you, I've had hypnotherapy and worked with hypnotherapist since I believe, uh, 1989, I think 19 80, 89, 88, somewhere around there.

It's, and it's done wonders for me. And plus part of it was I needed it for sleep. I needed to sleep in the, when I was in college, you know? So, um, I know that, uh, you've been utilizing hypnotherapy for your clients for various things. What I'd like to know is, uh, you know, first tell us how hypnotherapy works.

I think your, your clinical definition was really good when I was listening to it and I was like, oh, 'cause I've been in it so long, like, I'm so far away from that definition. But listening to it, it was like, wow, that was a really good explanation of hypnotherapy.

But how it works, I like to say, to make it simple, I like to say it works. Like when you type on a Word document, you have a story written on that document, right? And let's say you don't like that story, you just hit delete and you delete every single letter until you sentence is gone, until the paragraph is gone.

And you could type a whole new story. And then you hit save, the old story is gone. Nobody ever knew it was ever there. You don't even have to remember it yourself. And now you have this new story. That's the way hypnotherapy works. It really deletes the old habit or the old story, and it replaces it with a new one.

The suggestion that you talked about in your explanation, that's how hypnotherapy works. Hmm. It's such an, that's such an easier way of un understanding it. You know what I realize a lot of people think you're in like this kind of weird trance that you're not in control, but that's so not true.

What hypnotherapy, at least for me, how it helps is it puts you in a state where whatever is suggested as you're talking and often you're listening to the hypno hypnotherapist and, or you get a CD or D-A-D-V-D, some form of, um, recording. Recording and you listen to it. It's like a guided meditation and it just helps, um, ease either, whether it's pain, it helps you relax easier.

And like you said, it kind of like deletes some form of, I don't know. If, if the memory's deleted, would you consider that the memory's deleted? Is it, isn't it just that the trigger or the charge is deleted? Well, the memory can be deleted because typically we remember the things that have an emotional charge to them.

So if I asked you, what did you have for breakfast three Thursdays ago? Unless you have the same exact breakfast on Thursday, every Thursday, you probably won't remember because there was no emotional charge with this breakfast. Unless some like sexy person or you know, like, uh, you also got a million dollars with breakfast.

Like unless something significant happened during the breakfast, you probably won't remember it. And that's kind of where that memory will go. It'll go where all the other. Memories go, they eventually just fade. And it's not, the emotion is taken away from it, so the memory can also be taken away.

Now, that's not necessarily what will happen. It could still be there because you can still have some of the emotion lingering, but not as, not the heightened state of emotion that created the trigger that you speak of. Mm, thank you. I'd like to know, you know, used to be a Morgan Stanley financial advisor, which totally makes sense.

Yeah. About, you know, why I wanted to talk about, uh, wealth and abundance, but how did you go from working as a financial advisor into hypnotherapy and why? So I'll start with why. As a financial advisor, I was creating these beautiful financial plans for my, my, my, at the time, I, they were cl clients, not patients.

So I was creating these beautiful financial plans and what I'd find is that people would tell me what their. Idea of prosperity was, or what their goal was or their dream was. But then when it came time to execute it, they wouldn't, something would get in the way. And I got really curious about that thing that was getting in the way, I now call it a prosperity block.

And I said, what is this thing? Like, why do they not move forward? And it's the same thing that a doctor experiences when a patient won't execute on their treatment plan, it's resistance. And I wanted to know more about resistance, what caused it, uh, why it was there, uh, what would make it go away.

And so I just started studying and finding out, oh, this is. This really is psychology. And I left Morgan Stanley, went back to school, got my master's in clinical mental health counseling. And then why? While, while I was in my master's program at the very end, the last class I took was trauma.

And I thought I was gonna hate trauma, which is why I put it at the end. But I fell in love with it because of hypnotherapy. I learned hypnotherapy in my trauma class because my trauma professor was also a hypnotherapist and she taught it to us in, in our, in our last session.

And then from there I went and I got certified as a clinical mental health, uh, clinical hypnotherapist myself because it was phenomenal. And lemme tell you what I mean by it being phenomenal and you know, because you've had it, but how, this is how extremely, uh, powerful is the word I wanna use.

Hypnotherapy is in my class. My teacher used me as the example. And she told me, make up a story and I'll do hypnotherapy on you in front of the class. So they'll see it. What it's like. I made up a story. It wasn't even my real story yet. I felt different when I got out of that chair.

I actually felt like something had healed inside of me, and I fell in love with hypnotherapy and I fell in love with trauma too, because trauma can be so debilitating. And to be able to just pluck that trauma outta somebody and let them live a life where they're no longer trigger triggered or hurt, and now they're healed.

I was like, absolutely. This. I don't even wanna do therapy without hypnotherapy. Mm. There's so many, um, people out there that's gone through trauma, um mm-hmm. You know, as a child. Physical trauma, sexual trauma, um, trauma from being in the war. There's so many, and I don't think their first thought is actually hypnotherapy.

I, of course, their first thought is, I need drugs to calm my anxiety down. Yeah. Calm right. And kind of help them, whether prescribed or, or self-induced, whether exactly. That's exactly true. So I'm so glad that we're talking about this. Um, what are some of, you mentioned about the resistance and prosperity blood.

What are some of, of the most common challenges when you're talking with your clients about their relationship with money? Well, the first thing that I would say is that what I've noticed, and now most people who talk about money won't talk about this, but what I've noticed is that we equate money and love.

So we use money to get love. Now, people who say what, no, I don't you. You're gonna say that, but I have a quiz that will show you differently. When, what I mean by people use money to get love. Now I'll show you. So you know about the spender and you know about the saver.

That also there are other money mentalities. I call one of them the blamer, the another one, the enthusiast. There's the hero, the artist, and then what I call the president because my company is called presidential Lifestyle. So the ideal money mentality or money personality is the president. Well, let's take for example, the hero.

That's the money mentality I used to be before I started this work. The hero is the person that is going to help you take care of your needs. It's the person you call when you can't pay your mortgage and you need help. It's the person you call when you have a boot on your car and you don't have a savings account or credit cards to get it off.

It's the person you call who you can tell your story. Your woe is me story, and they'll have a solution for you at the end. I was a hero and the hero in order to get love tends to save people. They love doing it. It's so much fun for them.

However, eventually they realize you're not getting love. This way, you really just become more frustrated because more and more people begin to ask and ask and ask because you put it out there that this is the way you get love and because you, it's not real. It's not real love.

You eventually. Become resentful. And so that, that is the bottom of it. But then layered on top of that is they're gonna come to me for a relationship problem. Right? That's what they think they're coming to me for. But what I found while I'm working with them is that they're a hero and they have been allowing people to cross their boundaries and they've been using money to get love and at the end they feel used.

But it's not that they were used, it was that they didn't have clear lines. They went from, from helping to pleasing. They skipped over helping and went straight to pleasing. And now in that pleasing mode, they've given up so much of themselves that they don't know how to find themselves.

And so what we usually do when I get a hero in my office, and I get a lot of heroes, especially the people that I'm talking to right now, my doctors, a lot of my doctors are heroes. And a lot of them are the most successful person in their families, especially when it is, um, African American.

They're the most successful person in their family, so they tend to have to help a lot of people around them. And that hero just gives, gives, gives, gives, gives, gives, just can't stop giving. And they have a hard time receiving. And so when they come to me, what we're really working on is helping them become a better receiver.

And what, how we do that using hypnotherapy is to go back into that childhood. 'cause that childhood trauma, that child, and it doesn't have to be trauma, like sexual trauma or. What, what we sometimes call capital T trauma. It could just be traumatic. It can be a traumatic experience that triggered something in them and made them believe that they had to do something in order to get love.

I have to do this in order to get love. I have to save you, I have to make you feel taken care of in order for me to get love. And that got programmed into them very early, usually before zero and seven. And now that that's imprinted in them, it's very hard to let go.

Time and repetition can do it, but that takes a long time and a lot of repetition. Most. Effectively it's hypnotherapy. And so by the time they come to me, we are going to take them into that, that what you call that meditative state. We go into that state, we go back to one of the early memories, hopefully the earliest, if the brain trusts me, we can go back to the earliest memory and we have to replay that memory.

Not relive it though. That's, I wanna make that distinction. We just have them replay it. So they're like watching it as if they're watching television and they tell me what they would have liked to happen in that moment. And so as I take them back and they tell me what they would have liked to happen in the moment, the brain doesn't know the difference between that which is imagined and that which is real.

Because the same place in our brains that we use to do something is the same place in our brains that we use to imagine it. So even just imagining the story changing. The person can change. They shift their thought around that memory, and now that they have that shift, they, they live a different life because now that they imagined it differently, the new story that they're telling themselves is not that they have to do something to deserve love, but they just are loved.

Mm. I love the way you describe how we need to imagine more to replace, uh, some of the old stories now. I mean, when you were talking about that, it just reminded me of when I was younger, I was a superstar in athletics, and the thing that I would do during the day when I would daydream, I wouldn't daydream about, you know, things that I wanted and whatever, clothes or whatever.

As a little girl, I actually daydreamed about me playing my ball. My, I, I was a big softball player. And a, uh, volleyball player. And I would literally imagine in my mind how I'm going to hit that ball when I got up there, you know, and I would hit it over as a home run, or I would remember myself as a center, uh, remind myself and just kind of imagine myself, you know, digging and catching that of, uh, 'cause I was an outfielder that, um, papa that was coming at me and I would dream about me sliding into a, um, home run or, you know, these are the things that I would actually dream about.

I should say imagine. And sure enough, my actions just played out intuitively. My body would just play it out. And, and that's, I think how I became a lot more successful. I just naturally did it. Not knowing though, of course, that I was in a sense hypnotizing myself or, you know, I didn't know anything about that, but that just reminded me, just as you were discussing about Thema being, imagining yourself in the position.

That makes total sense. Yes. And the great thing about it, the younger we are, the more hypnotizable we are. So you doing that while you were young? We are in data or that slow brain wave when we're younger. The older we get, the more we get out of that.

But the younger we are, the more our brains are in those slower brainwaves. Our imaginations are more wild and more open. And, and because you were young while you were doing that, you were even more susceptible to that. But even as an older, as an adult, that kind of hypnotherapy is very effective.

It's very effective to shift the thoughts because it's old programming that's there. Mm. And that programming is deep. I would, right. Of course it is. At this, you know, on the other spectrum, I would think that when you are. Thinking about something that's gonna happen or it hasn't even happened, but you're thinking something bad's gonna happen.

Anxiety about a situation, uh, speaking on stage or going for that interview and you're thinking all negative thoughts. You're also focusing on that too much and that's gonna produce negativity as well, don't you think? Absolutely. That often does. And that's one of the things that people come to speaking is one of the things people come to hypnotherapy for.

Um, just being able to get on stage. I, I worked with a guy years ago who was getting married and he knew he was gonna have to give a toast at his, at his wedding. And he, even though those were his friends and his family and his, and his, you know, soon to be wife's friends and family, he still was gonna be nervous doing it.

He, he was a doctor and, um, he would speak to patients. He would do a workshop and he would just sweat and gets so nervous, even though this is something he does on a daily basis. He knows his stuff, he's great at what he does, but he just gets nervous and that nervous, that nervousness takes over him.

So we had to really train his brain, and that's what it boils down to. We're training the brain now. This happened to him when he was about five or six years old. He was the youngest in his family, and he's from a family of doctors. And, but they were older.

His, his parents were doctors. His older brothers were probably 10 and 15 years older than he was. So they weren't doctors yet, but they all knew they would be. And so he was never really allowed to talk at the dinner table because they, he was five and they were 10 and 15 and, you know, and, and adults.

And so he was always told to be quiet, be quiet, be quiet. Nobody wanted to listen to him. So the story that he was telling himself that his words weren't important, and so if his words weren't important, why would he get up on that stage? And so if he got up on that stage and he said unimportant words, why would those people listen to him?

So all of this story is running subconsciously, of course, subconsciously this is running in inside him, and he can't bring himself to get on stage, even though at this point, at 40 years old. He's al. He was almost 40 years old, but at almost 40 years old. He knew his stuff, his words were important, but he couldn't believe it because that old programming was still running, and it doesn't just go away.

Not by itself at least. Well, how long did that CLT have to work with you or the length of time visits for him to be able to go up and speak his truth in front of that? The people that love him and, and that his wedding, how long did it take him?

Oh yes. That's the joy of hypnotherapy. I have worked with people who in one session have completely changed, completely shifted, but I would say in general, six to 12 sessions is what I usually tell people to prepare for. But the way that I work is that I do intensive.

So I'm probably gonna see you twice for three or four hours at a time. Is we really gonna get down to what. You are your immediate need first because your brain needs to get through that immediate need. And then we're gonna go back to the old trauma because whatever you're dealing with today, whether and, and I say this, I know I'm talking to room full of doctors, but whatever you are dealing with, but also what your patients are dealing with, whatever you are dealing or whatever your patients are dealing with today started a long time ago.

So we do have to look at the immediately a need. And the reason we do that is because the brain won't let us go further than that if we don't take care of the immediate lead. Once we take care of the immediate need, the brain will trust us and it will allow us to go further.

And the reason why I say that as well is because, like I said earlier, doctors do tend to run into resistance. Resistance is not necessarily a bad thing. The resistance tells us what the patient is ready for, and if they're not ready to heal yet, listen to them. Don't force it because the brain will be ready.

The brain wants to change, the brain wants to heal. It is just afraid of the unfamiliar because the brain sees familiar as good and unfamiliar as bad. Even if unfamiliar is healing it's relief, they still see the brain still sees it that way. So we first have to get the brain to trust us, and once the brain trusts, then it will allow us to go back further and even further and even further into the healing where it really, where the cause because you know, we can heal symptoms all day long, but we'll be doing that for life.

And sure we can get rich off of healing symptoms, but we, we won't find meaning in our lives. We won't feel rewarded because we are not really doing our jobs. Mm. Beautifully said Kne. Uh, you did mention that you work with a lot in medical profession, people in the health industry, but you do take clients that are outside of that realm as well.

Yeah, A lot of times I, I love what I do because I get the tough clients. Like a lot of times patients come to me because their doctor sent them to me. It's like, you're too resistant. You need to go see a and get some hypnotherapy. Or a therapist sent them to me.

So the therapist is, you know, handling this client and the client is not following their treatment plans and they say, Hey, you need to go see Cana. I get the most resistance, and I love those because I don't see them as resistant and I don't see them as tough.

I usually can break through resistance pretty quickly. Um, but I, I. Prefer to work with doctors In my group, I have a hypnotherapy group and I work with doctors in that group. And the reason is because I have a goal to reach millions of people, but I can't do that by myself.

And so if I work with doctors and teach 'em some of my techniques, but also help them heal 'cause doctors are overwhelmed and burn out and, and you, we, you know, we said we were gonna talk about financial prosperity, but many doctors think they have to choose between, um.

Making a difference and making money, and they don't. And so I, I like to share my knowledge, which with doctors, especially that financial abundance, that prosperity, that idea of prosperity and helping them break through their blocks so they can get to, through their idea of prosperity. But often doctors recommend patients to me, so their patients are not usually doctors.

And so on a one-on-one private, usually a retreat session is what I call it, a retreat session. Those are usually patients that aren't doctors. Um, a lot of times I work with men. That's who I work with, pri primarily, I would say 60 to 80% of the patients that I see are men.

Um, anger is the number one thing. They usually come to me for anger that's usually causing them stress. The anger that's creating the dissension in their relationships, the angers that. It is keeping them from sleeping at night. So sleep, like you mentioned earlier, is one of the biggest things that I work on.

And hypnotherapy works so well for that. Um, I don't do a lot of pain hypnotherapy, but that's another thing that I work on sometimes with what I really love is the trauma. And trauma comes from, you know, usually our past zero to seven, like I said earlier, and that's who the doctors end up sending me.

But oddly enough, and children, I get children too. Oh. Yeah, children too. That's really my favorite population. I don't get to work with them as much as I would like to my teenagers. I just love working with teenagers. And the reason why I love working with teenagers, because you remember I said zero to seven is when we get most of our programming right?

And then seven to 14 is when we kind of solidi, we kind of prove it. Seven to 14 were saying. Okay, I have this hypothesis. I think the world is this way. I think I get love this way, but let me just prove it. And so we, we put ourselves, that's why teenage years are so hard, because we're putting ourselves through this test to see, was I right?

Is this the way world is? And then they, we, we kind of hold on to that idea. We prove it, that hypothesis. And so if I could get a teenager, like somewhere between 14 and 19, I can clear up that old programming that was instilled in them. So they have a clean slate and they get to start over.

And it's almost like they're zero again. They're just, they're not, they're, they're ba, they're like fresh again. So I love working with teenagers. I prefer to wait until after the programming because I don't like to do hypnotherapy and send a kid back into the system that they, that created the problem.

Um, the challenge that, that I have as a hypnotherapist is that I know that it's nothing wrong with that child. It's the system. There's nothing wrong with the parents either. It's the system. Maybe the parent is, is, is, has some trauma themselves, and yes, they might be abusive, but there's nothing wrong with them.

They are hurting, they have been victimized, and now they've turned that child into the victim. And so that's, it's tough to send. It is tough to do that work and then send a child back into that environment because I know that they'll just need to come back to me again.

And I'm not in the business of repeat clients. That's not what I do. I don't want repeat patients. I want you to heal now. You can come back to me for something else. Maybe you were in a car accident later on in life and you, you now, you don't wanna drive.

And so we need to do hypnotherapy to, to heal you from that. But I don't want us to, to, to meet again for the same challenge. Hmm. That's, that's a great, great goal there. Gosh, you know, we're pretty much outta time, but I do want you to talk about, uh, just, uh, briefly about your website, pre presidential lifestyle.com and what the presidential experience is.

Yes, so Presidential Lifestyle is our company and presidential lifestyle is a wellness company focused on wealth in all of its forms. And if you go to our website, presidential lifestyle.com, you'll see what we offer. You'll see a little bit about the company and I have that quiz that I talked about at the top of the show, the money mentality quiz.

You'll see a space to, to take the money mentality quiz and see how you've been using money to get love. And it's just a fun quiz. Just take it. Don't have to be so serious. And from there, if you wanna connect with us more, you can, we'll send you an email after you take the quiz and tell you how you connect with us more.

But the presidential experience, that's our private retreat. And so we see doctors in our private retreat or we see their patients, doctors, patients, they sort of like prescribe, you should say, we could say the presidential experience and the presidential experience. You either do it virtually. Or live, and we were a virtual company even before COVID, OVID.

So you can do the presidential experience virtually or live, but it's an intensive hypnotherapy session really dedicated to you where we can get past your prosperity blocks. Now it's focused on money, but it's a gateway really healing you, your love so you can receive more. Because society told us that it's better to give than to receive.

And because of that, especially us, especially those healthcare professionals out there, right? We are so focused on giving that we are. Terrible receivers. And in the presidential experience, we help you balance that giving and receiving, finding some harmony there so you get the right amount. You can tell yourself when to stop, when to go, because sometimes you do wanna be generous, but other times you need to be what I call self full and just be full of yourself, focused on yourself.

But we need a roadmap, a formula to do that. I call it the YOU formula. And in the presidential experience, you'll get your YOU formula. We'll get a formula designed, especially for you because prosperity means different things to different people. And using our breakthrough, our breakthrough to prosperity system, that system will help you determine what that formula is for you.

Now, we do this in the Prosperity Club as a group for doctors, but the presidential experience is our private one-on-one retreat. And that's got it specific to you, so you don't have to do it in a group if you don't want to. But the Prosperity Club is that, that group for doctors where you have that peer to peer kind of, uh, forum that you can go to.

But weekly, every single week I do hypnotherapy for the doctors. And then, um, they also have the option depending on when they come. I usually sometimes do like a special offer and I'll give out some, some private hypnotherapy sessions as well. Ah, everything that you're saying, I, I'm thinking about how I, you know, I'm one of you the heroes too, like, you know, and we, I just give, give, give and, and being of service and it, I get a lot out of it, and that is the love I get too.

I get it. But yeah, this year alone, I mean, it's change kne for me. I, I'm doing so much more for myself. I am, I don't, I'm not working as much. I'm going to Hawaii for a full month and although I'm gonna be working while I'm in Hawaii, but I'm gonna be enjoying every bit of it.

I got myself an rv, you know, for myself so I can travel and really nourish my spirit, spirit and physicality. So I feel that just, uh, even the changes from this COVID and um, just in the stage in my life, I'm, I'm going towards more loving self. That's phenomenal.

Mm. Yes. And I remember when we met, I remember you telling me that. And that is so yummy. Like I got chills just listening to hearing you say that and being able, and a lot of people saw 2020 and the COVID crisis as um, I don't know. Awful. Or just a lot trauma complaints.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. But there also was some beautiful moments in 2020 and Sure, some people lost loved ones. Absolutely. And we have to give that it's due. That is painful. But if we look at it, if we just shift our thinking around it, I bet we can find some golden nuggets.

Just like you did. You were able to pull back a little in your practice and focus on yourself more. Sure you can be a hero anytime. You can save as many patients as you like, but sometimes you're going to have to turn around and save yourself. Hmm. Thank you Kne. Such great, beautiful words.

I so appreciate you and having you on this show. I really do. Uh, what a blessing it was to have you here. Thank you so much. You are welcome. Thank you for having me. I just love spending time with you and I can't wait to spend more. I gotta get on that RV with you.

Yeah, you got it. Yes. Thank you. Have a great weekend. Okay. Wow. Presidential lifestyle.com. Presidential lifestyle.com is Kna quarters website. Definitely go check out that men mentality, the money mentality quiz. You'll be surprised what you find out. I so appreciate this and I know you've learned a great deal here.

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Kne, that was amazing. Oh, thank you. Fantastic. Was, that was great. And I forgot to tell you, I love the name of your show. That is so freaking cool. That Wellness for Life. Oh, it's my corporation name too. It's been, gosh, 20 something years. Thank you so much, man.

That is, is so well said. Like that says everything. It says it all. It does. Yeah. I appreciate. Yeah, thanks my dear. I can't wait to learn more about what you do and you know, and possibly even having a one-on-one session with you. Until then, have a great weekend and I'll talk to you soon.

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Jordan, so glad to have you back. I'm so happy. So we're gonna jump into, oh, it's my pleasure. I'm really looking forward to this. Yeah, absolutely. We're gonna jump into, um, again, you know, me, medicinal marijuana and, um, is that how you call it, medicinal marijuana or medical marijuana?

Same thing. Medical, and I don't like the word marijuana. I like prefer cannabis because I think it's, you know, it's the Latin genius. It doesn't have so many racial connotations to it. Okay. But I'll go with marijuana if you want to use that. No, no, no. I, I definitely what you can do is you can explain what cannabis is.

I'll use the word medical cannabis. That's the good one. Okay. And of course we, we definitely are gonna go into cannabis and sex. Oh, cool. Excellent. My favorite topic. I love it. So, um, let's go ahead whenever you're ready. It's about 25 minutes. Yep. That's perfect. I'm good. Are you on?

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husband George, has been suffering from a knee fracture for several months, and during the first few weeks he was in so much pain. I mean, he was just taking a ton of non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, um, as well as such as like ibuprofen. But you know, being a natural holistic physician myself, I really want him to try some alternative therapies.

So I suggested. For him to have medicinal cannabis or medical cannabis. And it definitely made a difference. Now it has been proven to be safely and effectively treat, and it's been proven, lemme try it again. Medical cannabis has been proven to safely and effectively treat certain patients for symptoms of conditions ranging from chronic pain, cancer, to depre cancer, to depression, anxiety, seizures, uh, PTSD and more.

Today we have Dr. Jordan Tischler, our Harvard trained cannabis specialist and founder and CEO of Inhale, md. He is one of the leading experts in the field of medical cannabis therapeutics, as well as an accomplished author, teacher, and a nationally sought out speak speaker. Well, welcome back to Wellness for Life, Dr. Tischler.

Oh, thank you so much for having me back. It's always a pleasure. Yeah, absolutely. Really excited to have you back and talk about cannabis and how can optimize our health, including sex. Absolutely. Um, you know, that's one that's just sort of starting to catch on in people's awareness. Uh, I've seen a couple of symposia come up around that, but, uh, that's definitely one of the areas, uh, in my practice where I've seen some of the best results.

Um, and certainly, um, shall we say the greatest, um, uh, improvements in quality of life. Yes. You know, I was doing a little research, um, this week because we're, we, were gonna talk about cannabis and sex and I, I ba basically just put cannabis and sex on my Google and sure enough, the article on Self in Self Magazine, which actually coded you a great deal, Dr. Tischler, about how does cannabis actually affect sex.

That was the article that I picked up and sure enough, you wrote all, you, you, you, you were quoted quite a bit in this article, so I'm really glad that we're, we're gonna be diving in right now. Cool. Where should we start? So tell us, just tell us how can cannabis help with having sex or, or individuals?

Um, is it because they have sexual issues, intimacy issues, orgasm issues, inhibition issues? How does cannabis help? Well, you know, I think that we first of all need to sort of, um. Uh, you know, think a little bit about who we're talking to and about, right? I mean, there are some people who are, um, you know, perfectly healthy and they have a fine sex life and, and, and they're looking for sort of a little something extra or a little something different.

And I think that, you know, those people definitely can get benefit from cannabis. Uh, I don't see that as entirely a medical, uh, thing. But then there's this other group of people, um, you know, who really have, uh, roadblocks, if you will, in their sex lives, uh, and their sexual satisfaction.

And, and those are the folks that I tend to spend most of my time focused on. So everything that we're gonna say, you know, will apply to the sort of healthy, recreationally oriented people. But, you know, my focus is really on people who are having a tough time of something.

Um, and one of the things that we've come to realize is that, um. There aren't a lot of treatments, particularly of a pharmacological nature, um, meaning medicine that can help with any form of sexual dysfunction, right? I mean, so immediately our minds go to erectile dysfunction and the Viagra type, uh, medicines, and those are great.

There were a huge advancement, but they only work for men, obviously, and they only work for erectile dysfunction, which is roughly 30% of the problems that are experienced by men. So that's not a, that's not even most right. Um, when we start to think about things that, uh, that, you know, that affect men and women, such as, uh, low libido or difficulty with arousal or orgasm or, or satisfaction, then we start to realize that there's a whole ball of wax there that we've got really not much to address with, um, other than exec.

You know, again, the erectile dysfunction. For men. Um, so we kind of got stuck, right? And now when you start to introduce cannabis and you realize that cannabis works in such a broad fashion that it helps with for both men and women. And it helps across this sort of broad range of, of sort of sexual dynamic, um, that encompasses a whole bunch of different pieces that can either be a problem or not for certain individuals.

Meaning again, you know, if somebody has low libido, whether male or female, cannabis can help that. Um, if people are having difficulty with arousal, particularly women lubrication, vaginal relaxation, that sort of thing, cannabis can help that. Um, if people are having trouble achieving orgasm, male or female, cannabis can help that.

Interestingly, in some men, they have trouble, uh, um, not orgasming sooner than they or their partner would like, and cannabis can help that. And I think most importantly is that when used properly, cannabis can increase that sense of intimacy between partners. Um, that also is very important in the quality of life that we're seeking.

So it turns out that cannabis, if it's used properly, can be very helpful, whereas pretty much nothing else can. So, wow. Can you explain the mechanism? It really tremendous. Oh, it sounds amazing. It sounds incredible. I would like to know the mechanism though, of, you know, what part of, is it the brain that it helps?

Is it the nervous system within the genital area? Uh, can you explain that a little bit of how cannabis can do that and how long does it last? Um, so. The short answer is, I can't give you a very satisfactory answer, but here's what I can tell you. Um, we have receptors in our bodies imaginatively named the cannabinoid receptors, um, that are an important part of normal physiologic function, and they exist pretty much everywhere.

So yes, they're in the genitals, they're in various parts of the brain and, and distributed throughout our body. Um, in varying degrees, depending upon what we're talking, what, you know, what areas we're talking about. Um, what we know is that cannabinoids applied directly to the genitals can have some effect.

It's not a big or overwhelming effect. In fact, if it's applied to the male genitals, it tends not to do much of anything. If it's applied to the female genitals, then there, there may be some benefit kind of locally down there. But what I think is most important for us to understand when we're thinking about sexuality is to understand that most of the action doesn't actually happen down there.

It happens between the ears, right? We are thinking and feeling creatures. And so much of our sexuality and our intimacy is really in our mind and not in our genitals. We think about our genitals, but it's really happening in our brains. And so, um, the idea of applying cannabis to the genitals misses the vast majority of, uh, of where we need the medicine and the benefit that we can get from it.

So, systemic administration of the medicine. Is far more effective than, than topical, than down there. Hmm. Um, and as for exactly what it's doing that I can't answer any more, that I can actually really answer for you what's going on in our brain when we have an orgasm. That's something that's been studied.

Um, and, and we still don't have that answer yet. We're working on it. Thank you. Thank you. You know, when I was, um, researching for my, my husband, I personally have never used any form of, um, medical cannabis in my life at all. And, and I just didn't know it.

Although I recommended for certain patients if they had a major pain syndrome. 'cause I knew about the therapies and there were doctors out there that were such as yourself, um, practicing with medicinal cannabis. But what I did was I went to a dispensary. A local dispensary. I'm, I live in pa, Pacific Palace season in Los Angeles area.

And so I went to it just to figure out what is available, and I was really blown away. I could not believe the different types, not just the strains of different types of, um, mar marijuana or cannabis, I should say, but the, that you can eat it, you can smell it, you can, you know, breathe it in.

Uh, yours, you know, your site is called Inhale md, so I'm assuming that it's from inhalation, meaning you are using a vapors type of instrument that brings in the, uh, THC, um, cannabis, but I was really blown away by all the different types. So if we're talking about, um, having, you know, improving sexual arousal and all that, this could be actually a really good thing that couples can do together, whether they eat it together, edibles, I mean, what do you recommend?

Sure. I think first of all, doing it as uh, a couple is, is hugely important. Um, it's not typically where I would start people, but I think it's a very important part of the process. Um. And, uh, and I also think that, you know, your experience in the dispensary is exactly as we would expect, which is to say that it, that it can be very much like walking into the candy store.

Uh, and it can be very overwhelming and there are lots of, you know, seemingly helpful and friendly people behind the counter who want to tell you all sorts of stuff. The sad reality, however, is the folks behind the counter really don't know what they're talking about from a medical point of view, and their job is to sell a lot of product and they're pretty convincing at it.

So I find that a lot of people end up going to the dispensary and coming away with arms full of stuff that I would never recommend to them, um, and spending a lot more money than I think that they need to. Um, so then to your question of what would I recommend, well, you mentioned edibles, for example.

That's something I tend not to recommend. And the reason for that is this. Um, edibles take a long time to kick in. Mm. And they're also very unpredictable as to when they're gonna kick in. So that doesn't make a great thing for when you're sort of in the spur of the moment and you want to get it on right.

Waiting for this to kick in is kind of a drag on top of that. If you and your partner take the same edible at the same time, there's no, no guarantee or even reason to expect that it's gonna kick in at the same time. Right? So you, you know, my kick in, in, in 40 minutes for her and in 90 minutes for him, and then you're completely mismatched.

So. The edibles, I think, you know, sound good and they certainly look tasty. Um, but I don't think that they're the best option here, um, in this setting. I think that a vaporized cannabis flour, meaning va uh, vaporized, not smoked, um, because it's safer. Um, cannabis flour, meaning weed, um, is the best way to go and that allows us to get the medicine, um, in a safe fashion.

We can use the vaporizer together as a couple so that it becomes part of the foreplay. And, um, it has relatively quick onset, meaning 10 to 15 minutes and it's fairly predictable so we can get everybody going at the same time. So that's typically what I would recommend for, you know, a couple.

Um, but. In the case where one or the other of the couple is having some sexual difficulties and that is part of what we need to, to surmount, then I would definitely recommend that that person not start using cannabis with their partner. First off, I would have that person use cannabis in a very gentle and, and, and, and, uh, cautious fashion.

And then once that starts to kick in for a few times, I would have them, um. You know, masturbate so that they can get a sense of what it is that the cannabis feels like when they're using it, and also the effect it will have on their sexuality. Um, and hopefully also get some sense that it's improving these things, whether it's orgasm or otherwise, so that then when they bring in their partner, um, they have a sort of a sense of mastery or confidence that this is going to work and that they don't have to get, um, you know, another level of concern going on when they should be, um, relaxing into the sexual experience.

Hmm. Is there a chance that you, if you, you know, you know how when someone has alcohol they really can't, uh, they just can't have sex 'cause they're just way too, uh, relaxed or, um, they're just not able to have, um, their, the orgasm that they want. You know how that, that is, is that the same with Yes. Cannabis, that if you have too much, that ends up also throwing off your pleasure?

Yes, absolutely. Um, this is more of a problem for men than it is for women, um, because it turns out, and I don't know that this is immediately obvious to, to most of us, um, but that getting and maintaining an erection is a very active process. You have to, I mean, we don't really think about it, but the point is, there's some part of our brain that is.

Clued into the sexual arousal and paying attention. And that's what keeps us hard. And if we take enough cannabis that we sort of start to really drift away, then, you know, um, then the, the apparatus stops working properly. Um. In fact, this is commonly enough known that there's actually a slang for this, which is donor boner.

Um, so, you know, so for men we need to be really particularly cautious about dosing. Um, so that we land in that sweet spot where as helpful, but not harmful or, or hindering, um, women. I think that there's much more leeway involved because there's just, you know, a, a fair bit more leeway in terms of the mechanics of how the sexuality works for women's anatomy.

Um, which is to say I think that for women, if they get a little bit further out on the limb, uh, in terms of the intoxication, it can still be an enjoyable experience, even if they're not at their sort of most, um, active or acrobatic in this particular lovemaking session.

Um. Uh, and I should say if you get way out on the limb regardless of, of, um, gender, then I think you're gonna be uncomfortable, um, because of the intoxication. And then all bets are off in terms of sexuality. Mm. Uh, you, you know, I would like to know, um, when I went to this dispensary, they, they were at least sharing and educating me 'cause I didn't know all the details.

But they said there was two different kinds. Uh, one was called Sativa and the other one's indica. And uh, the one that my husband needed was the one that was for sleep and pain control, which was the indica. Is that, am I correct on this one? Um. Well, you're correct on what they'll tell you, but they're not correct in what it, what it actually means.

Hmm. Um, so it's a little complicated. The, the reality is that there's a lot of sort of, um, lore that has come down through the decades, uh, you know, in the, in the cannabis culture that has now translated itself into gospel, which gets repeated in the sales process at the dispensary and, um.

You know, one of the major issues is that it has a tendency to be used to sell more product. You know, if you say to somebody who has chronic pain, they come in, they say, have chronic pain, it's like, okay, you need a sativa for the daytime 'cause it's gonna make you energetic and you need a indica at nighttime 'cause it's gonna make you sleepy and control your pain.

And the reality here is that sativa and indica, chemically speaking, are almost completely the same. And, um, and either one will do just fine if it's used properly. Um, meaning an indica during the daytime is fine and a sativa during the evening time is fine. Um, but you know, then they can't sell you twice as many bags of weed.

Mm-hmm. Then what is used particularly for, uh, sexual arousal again, you know, um. Everybody would like to know that there's a particular type, um, that they should be using for a particular, um, problem or looking for a particular solution. And you know, the reality here is it's just not that specific.

So I tend to recommend to people that they use strains that are sort of middle of the road, THC level, so something between 15 and 20% THC. And there are a whole bunch of technical reasons for that, uh, that I don't think we want to get into at the moment.

Um. But other than that, that's really as far as I would go with the specificity of the recommendation, because I think that beyond that, at this point, we either know that some of the differences are, are baloney. Um, and some of the things that are not baloney differences, we don't have the science yet to really be able to say, this is meaningful and this is how you respond to it.

There are chemicals in cannabis that may have different response or cause different responses. Um, but none of this has really been borne out by the literature. And in fact, the literature at this point shows that every time we test one of these sort of gospels, we find that it, it doesn't pan out.

Mm-hmm. So we're still sort of waiting for any of the specificity to be, to be proven at the moment. What I say is we need good medium potency, safe cannabis, and that'll do what we needed to do. Great. I, I, I understand that you also, um, take online virtual appointments to help people and steer them in the right direction for their needs.

Uh, and, and can you just tell us a little bit about Inhale MD before we leave? Sure. Thank you. Um, yes, uh, you know, we've been at this for almost a decade now. Um, and, uh, I have actually given up my physical offices because telemedicine has been working so well, particularly now with this, um, unfortunate virus that we're dealing with.

And, uh, and that's really opened things up to be able to take care of people, you know, throughout the country and even around the world. Um, so we, we take every patient the same way. We start from, you know, from the beginning and we understand what it is that's going on, and then we make recommendations and we follow up with people.

Um, and so, you know, if there are people in California or Ohio or wherever, um, we are more than happy to be able to, uh, assist them. We take this very seriously. Um, this is not some sort of fly by night. Uh, sure. Get a medical card kind of thing.

This is, you know, we, we view this as medicine and we treat people with a respect and dignity that we would expect to treat any patient in any field of medicine. Mm-hmm. And so if people are interested in reaching me, the easiest thing to do is to go to my website, which is inhale md.com.

I'll say it again. It's inhale md.com. And there you'll find over a hundred articles on various subjects so you can kind of get your feet wet and also learn a bit about me so you can, you know, decide whether you want to contact. And then there's a, there's an email form and it comes right to us and we'll get right back to you and we'll start the process.

It's very easy. Well, thank you so much Dr. Tischler. Great information. I, I had a great time talking about this. It's in an area that I'm really not familiar with. Um, but I know it's, it's helpful for so many people and because you are just starting to talk more about this and it, I think it's gonna be amazing for both men and women, um, in the, in the field of sexuality.

Thank you so much. Oh, it's my pleasure. You know, this was a great, great pleasure. And, uh, I hope that there are a few people out there listening that I can connect with and help. 'cause that would make my day. Oh, you bet. I'm sure there will be. Thank you so much.

Have a good one. You too. Oh wow. That was, to me, it's so. So much information about things that of course I don't know much about, about, uh, medical, uh, cannabis. And I wanna learn more about it because I wanna be able to send my patients to individuals such as Dr. Tischler inhale dot inhale md.com, uh, so that people can get help.

This is really about how can we live a better life and enjoy, uh, being with a partner and enjoy ourselves. Even if you don't have a partner, maybe you can enjoy yourself, um, and explore more. In, in that and your sexuality. It's fantastic. Now, I know you've learned a great deal here, so do share the show with your loved ones and it will definitely be able to change you and your, your life and their lives as well.

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Until next time, go out there and live your best life today, full of energy, enthusiasm, and ultimate health and wellness. This is Dr. Suzanne sharing natural strategies on the Wellness for Life Show right here on Radio md. Stay well, Jordan, that was great. Ah, cool. Hey, CA, I'm glad you some thought so that's awesome.

Oh yeah, of course. You know, I, I, I'm really glad we just kept on focusing on cannabis and sex. So, uh, I'd like to go ahead and, um, Caitlyn, call our episode Cannabis and Sex. You know, so that cool people can, I think people would want more information about that.

Absolutely. Why not? Why not? And, and, uh, great information. I, you know, I, I realized that I really don't know much about and, but it's not my field and obviously it's not my field Jordan, but I am more and more I was at, um, a gathering. Uh, we were, uh, we all checked ourselves on COD and we got together and made, all of us were negative.

Of course, we got together 25 women, uh, it's called the Unicorn Club. And we were at a special resort down in San Diego. And, um, one of my good friends, girlfriends were talking about how she uses it for sleep. Um, and, and so we, one person had this, um, edible.