Caitlin Whyte (Host): Welcome to Time to Talk Fertility Beyond the Lab Coat, a podcast from Fertility Centers of Illinois. I'm your host, Caitlin White. Join us as we go behind the scenes with Dr. Ellie Hoka, a reproductive endocrinologist to discover what inspires his work, how he connects with his patient's And what drives his passion for helping families grow real stories, real purpose, real care.

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I am Ellie Hoka, a double board-certified obstetrician gynecologist, reproductive endocrinology and infertility specialist at fertility centers of. Annoying.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Well, doctor, so excited to get to know a bit more about you and your practice today. To start us off, can you tell us what inspired you to pursue medicine and specifically reproductive endocrinology?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I got inspired to pursue medicine a lot by my dad. He's a pediatrician, and I was attracted to this physician, patient or physician family relationship. In his case. The impact that one can have, not only on the patient but on the whole entire family when you treat a sick individual was remarkable.

that got me into medicine, but what really got me into reproductive endocrinology is that patient's most of the time do not come to us for what we do, but for why we do it, they come to us for a child And we represent hope to them. I'm not sure if in medicine there's another specialty that deeply impacts one's life as ours.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Absolutely. Well, on that note, what do you find most rewarding about your work?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: what I find most rewarding about my work, besides the impact that we have on patient's, is that we are working in an evolving field. We are doing cutting-edge medicine, And the way we practice today is not how our mentors practice. And for sure we will be practicing differently in a decade from now.

This keeps you at the forefront of science and technology, and your job is never dry or boring.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And is there a particular moment or patient that really reaffirmed why you chose this field?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: it is important here to mention that I got my medical degree at a Catholic institution, so I knew of IVF. I've heard of it. I was curious to know what it consists of. I studied it briefly for my boards, but never experienced it clinically Before residency, I always thought I'd become a gynecologic oncologist or a specialist who treats cancer in women.

In my second year of ob GYN training in New York, I rotated in REI for three months, experienced it clinically, saw the struggles. Practice that type of medicine. And the first few weeks I knew that This is what I wanted to do for the rest of my life.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And Dr, how do you hope to make a difference in your patient's lives?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: few patient's come to you, planning to have a baby in a year or two. Most wanted to have a baby yesterday and their treatment is literally gonna be a journey. Testing takes time. Treatment takes time, And this journey may become an emotional rollercoaster. I hope to remove as many layers of stress that I can.

I try to personalize their treatment and to educate and empower them to make the decision That is right for them. Through this approach, I try to make a difference.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): So what really drives your passion for helping individuals and their families on their journey to parenthood?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: The personal nature of the journey to parenthood, the variability And the patient's and couples that we see makes the practice of reproductive medicine truly an art. This is what drives my passion. I want to find not only what works in a clinical situation, but what the couple is accepting to try And what would be the best option for them.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): So how would you describe your approach to patient care?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: Hippocrates said that medicine is an art and artists do not keep doing the same thing repeatedly. So I like to approach patient care this way. Yes, there are tests that you need to do most of the time for everyone, but the way, how you lay it down, the way, how you explain varices significantly from a patient to another.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And what's most important to you when guiding a patient through their treatment?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: When guiding a patient through treatment, it is important for me to make sure that the patient or couple and I are on the same page. I want to make sure that they are okay to proceed with a particular treatment. Unfortunately, the chance of a negative pregnancy test with every treatment cycle is not non-significant, And in that setting I do not want the patient to regret proceeding with a particular treatment or another.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): So how do you help your patient's feel supported And also empowered throughout their journeys?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I try to empower patient's mostly with education. I make sure that they understand what the treatment is, how it may get them to conceive, And what are the chances of success and failure of that particular treatment. Moreover, I make sure that they are supported throughout the whole process by being available for them.

Most of my patient's know that myself and my team of nurses are available for them at any time, not only when they are seen in the office for a consultation or a monitoring visit.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Great. Well, doctor, how do you balance the intersection of science, technology, And also empathy in this work?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: That's a very important question, and nowadays view the abundance of information That is available on the internet and through social media. It is key to show patient's what is the science. Or to put it properly, what is evidence-based medicine, also known as the science proven to be true? That is mostly done at the time of the consultations and discussions that I have with them throughout their journey because not everyone may have a background in life sciences.

It may be difficult to relay certain concepts, and that's why I rely heavily on illustrations, pictures, graphs that I share with them, whether in the office or virtually at the time of consultations. As we mentioned earlier, This is a field in medicine That is highly personal and touches each deeply, and that's why despite the cutting-edge, scientific nature of what we do, empathy should be at the core of our mission.

I try to demonstrate that by the multiple touch points that I have with the patient. All my patient's know by now that if they're scheduled to have a pregnancy test, I'm the one calling them with results. If they have an abnormality on an ultrasound, they will hear from me before the end of the day.

If there's a bad outcome, I'm the one most of the time to disclose that This is a journey where they are not going through alone and I am here for them in the good And in the bad times.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And doctor, what are your special areas of clinical interest And what draws you to them?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I truly enjoy every aspect of our subspecialty, whether helping a couple with infertility, treating another for recurrent loss, or guiding a patient with her fertility preservation options. And by that I mean egg freezing and embryo freezing. I like to do it all, and I would not limit myself to a particular area of reproductive medicine.

However, what draws me more to any case is its complexity. I love difficult cases and I want to be challenged, and I don't mind being challenged by the clinical case or by the patient herself. With that being said, maybe the most difficult cases clinically are those where patient's have multiple pregnancy losses, or those where patient's have a low ovarian reserve or a second opinion where patient's have undergone treatments and had negative outcomes at another clinic.

I like particularly these cases because not only you need to treat the medical condition. But at the same time, you need to care about the patient from a psychological perspective, keeping her optimistic and giving her hope to continue the journey so that she can get with her to the finish line and have a baby.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And doctor, tell us a bit about your background. Where did you complete your medical education, your residency and fellowship training?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I completed my medical school at St. Joseph University in Beirut, Lebanon. Then I came to New York where I did residency at Staten Island University Hospital, And then I completed my fellowship at the University of Illinois at Chicago College of Medicine.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Great. And was there something you learned along the way that continues to shape your approach even today?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: You learn something new every day. that's why I like complex cases because you learn from these the most. But if I want to point out one main thing that shaped me over my career. Is that I learned how to be a good listener. This helped me connect better with my patient's and deliver my message not only in a better way, but at the right time as well.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And what excites you most about the future of reproductive medicine?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I am very excited to what the future holds for us in reproductive medicine. There has been a lot of scientific advances that makes us hopeful that someday we will be able to identify multigenic diseases in embryos and not only monogenic diseases, which is what we do now. We hope we'll be able to test embryos genetically without having to biopsy them.

We aspire to be able to treat certain cases of premature ovarian insufficiency or early menopause or diminished traverse that we are unable to treat currently. We are all waiting to see what would be the next breakthrough in our field.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Could you share with us an accomplishment in your practice or career that you are most proud of?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I think my main accomplishment on a personal level is that I learned how to connect with patient's. We are taught in medical school how to practice good medicine, but the missing element That is not taught is how to listen and treat the individual and not just the disease. Thanks to my patient's support and reviews, I was able to grow my practice and help a lot of other patient's, and This is something that I am very proud of.

There is nothing better than starting a consultation where a patient tells me, you helped my friend have her baby, and I want you to do the same to me.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And doctor, do you speak any additional languages?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I do. I speak a French and Arabic. I.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Oh wow. Could you share like a simple greeting or a phrase in either of those languages?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: Okay. we'll start with fresh. Feminine.

You

wanna do Arabic?

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Yes, please.

Dr. Elie Hobeika: So

I said that I introduced myself, I said my name And that I'm a fertility specialist and I am honored to, see them in my office in Chicago.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. We appreciate that. So when it comes to your patient's doctor, what do they often say that they appreciate most about working with you,

Dr. Elie Hobeika: what I read mostly online is that patient's appreciate the clear communication and my support throughout their journey.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): and how do you build that trust And that support that meaningful connection with your patient's?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I try to show them as much as possible that I'm there for them. I listen, I'm available for them and I know that they need me most with the outcome That is negative, so I make sure I'm there for them during that time, and I can see them in a timely fashion if that were to happen.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And you just mentioned all throughout this episode, of course, there are times when this journey. The outcomes aren't exactly what we're looking for. So what advice do you often share with patient's who are feeling anxious or discouraged?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I would always start by validating their feeling, what they're going through is not easy, And then I try to show them how treatment can work and incorporate changes in their treatment plan when applicable to have a better outcome.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And what's a message of encouragement that you would share with those? Still hoping to build their family?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: The road may be easy or may be difficult, and unfortunately sometimes very difficult, but what I can say is that having a child and growing one's family is worth it all. That's the message that most of my patient's share with me after they have their child.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Absolutely. And is there any one lesson that your patient's have taught you?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: patient's taught me not to give up on them. There are many patient's early in my career that I thought would never be able to conceive with their own eggs, and yet they did and have children. It takes one egg and one sperm to make a baby, not more, not less.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Outside of medicine. Doctor, what brings you joy or balance?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: Family time is my big thing right now. Taking my kids out, exploring the world with them is what brings me joy.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Are there any hobbies or interests or things you like to do for fun as well?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: yeah, but I'll say that love to do may not necessarily mean I'm doing it as I should be, but skiing and hiking are things that I am planning on finding more time to do in the near future.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Is there anything that might surprise people that they learn about you?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I hate needles and I only take medication if absolutely necessary. And by medication I mean Tylenol and Advil, view the amount of medication I prescribe for patient's And the amount of injections that I prescribe. I believe they may be surprised to learn that about me

Caitlin Whyte (Host): That is so funny. I love it. And are there any three words that you would say best describe you?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I believe the three words would be responsible, transparent, and personable.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): So now Doctor, I'm gonna ask you a couple questions that might seem pretty random. They're not about your practice or your professional background. They're a little more about getting to know you outside of the office. So my first one here is if something blank is on the menu, I'll always order it.

What's your go-to dish?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I don't know what mood I would be in for my main one, but if a side of Brussels SPRs is on the menu, I'll always order it.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And what would you say movie or TV show, which is your guilty pleasure, something you could watch over and over and over again?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I mean, I can do it. I've done it. It's friends.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): That's a classic. Yes. And you, like me, are an ice cream fan. If you could pick one ice cream flavor for the rest of your life, what would it be and why?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: Vanilla, hands down. That was an easy one.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Vanilla. Okay. That's a good one. Very, keep it at simple. Love it. And how do you take your coffee doctor?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: Black, although recently I've been getting into doing lattes at home. But I take my coffee black.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Gotcha. and on the flip side of our first question, if there was one food you had to live without, what would it be?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I would say blue cheese and goat cheese. I haven't developed the, taste buds necessary to enjoy these two.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): I actually agree with you on those. Thank you so much for playing along, doctor. As we wrap up here, we'll get a little bit back into your practice And the work that you do tell us what does National Infertility Awareness Week mean to you?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: national Infertility Awareness Week is very important on multiple levels. As a provider, it is an opportunity to raise awareness and help educate the public on infertility. Its prevalence and it helps to break the silence surrounding reproductive health issues. It pushes advocates, to get better insurance coverage and improve access to care to our patient's.

And most importantly, for our patient's, it empowers them and helps them. Since during that week, there are concentrated efforts for patient's to connect, share stories, and find a supportive community helping to reduce feelings of isolation and shame.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Well, you just mentioned it in that last answer, but why is it so important to openly talk about infertility?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: Talking openly about infertility helps educate patient's, makes us understand it better, And also honors the emotional journeys of millions who experienced it and creates a wave to push those in power to improve coverage and access to care.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And what are some additional words of encouragement that you would share with patient's navigating infertility?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: I want patient's to know that we feel them, we hear them, And we are there for them. The infertility journey could be a rollercoaster of emotions. We know when it starts, but we are not always in control on when they get the good news and end up being pregnant.

But definitely having a child is worth it all I.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): And how does this additional awareness and education help break the stigma often found around fertility challenges.

Dr. Elie Hobeika: By bringing personal stories to the forefront, by openly educating the public and talking about reproductive health issues, we are able to dismantle the stigma and shame associated with the inability to conceive naturally. And most importantly, we reinforce the notion that infertility is a medical condition, not a personal failure or a failure of the couple.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): Hmm. Absolutely. And doctor, once patient's start looking for a fertility clinic, what should they look for when choosing?

Dr. Elie Hobeika: The track record of Fertility Centers of Illinois sets us apart. it is the, largest clinic in the Midwest by far, and it is the longest standing clinic. The first IVF baby born in the Midwest came from our practice back in 1984. We were also one of the premier practices in the Midwest.

To do XE or injecting ex with sperm. We are the premier practice to freeze eggs. we helped create one of the largest egg banks in the United States. And all physicians at Fertility Centers of Illinois are double board-certified in their specialty And in ob GYN and practice evidence-based medicine.

Caitlin Whyte (Host): That was Dr. Ellie Hoka. For more information, please visit fci online.com/doctors. If you enjoyed this podcast, please share it on your social channels and explore our entire podcast library. For more topics that interest you, I'm Caitlin White, and This is Time to Talk Fertility Beyond the Lab Coat. Thanks for listening.