Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Welcome to Better Edge, a Northwestern
Medicine podcast for physicians.
I'm Melanie Cole, And we have a panel for you today with three Northwestern
Medicine clinicians to highlight a case study at the Northwestern
Medicine Aphasia Center at Marion Joy.
Our case today involves a 70 seven-year old patient who experienced
a stroke resulting in aphasia.
He began treatment as an inpatient at Mary and Joy, and later transitioned to
the Northwestern Medicine Aphasia Center at Mary and Joy for continued support.
Joining me in this panel is Michelle Armour.
She's a speech language pathologist and program manager and founder of
the Aphasia Center at Northwestern Medicine Aphasia Center at Mary
and Joy Rehabilitation Hospital.
Dr.
Robin Cohen.
She's a physical medicine and rehabilitation specialist
at Northwestern Medicine.
Mary and Joy Rehabilitation Hospital and Shmo Muhammad.
He's a speech language pathologist as well at Northwestern Medicine.
Mary and Joy Rehabilitation Hospital.
Thank you all for being with us today, and Dr.
Cohen, I'd like to start with you, for providers that may not be as familiar with
this topic, kind of set the table for us.
What is aphasia And what typically causes it?
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Aphasia is a language disorder that can affect.
Person's, ability to speak, understand, read or write.
some people may experience, difficulty in all of these language areas while
other's, only a few areas can be impacted.
the number one, cause of aphasia is stroke approximately, 30% of
all strokes result in aphasia.
Other, etiologies can include brain injury, brain tumor, or
other neurological diseases.
the classic model of aphasia was developed by Warnick and Heim in the
19th century and was further redefined neuro anatomically by Gershwin in
the 1960s, linking specific areas of the brain to specific syndromes.
So This is the model that we're all most familiar with.
we've learned it in medical school.
We were, studied it again in residency.
however, with the advent of MRIs, there's been other ways of thinking
about how aphasias, form which has led to, other areas of thinking
about how they could be treated.
So, I guess the more, current models, such as Dell's model.
And, these dual stream models, look at more at networks network involvement as
opposed to specific areas of the brain.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): That's so interesting and
thank you for explaining that.
So Michelle, give us.
A little bit of an overview of the Northwestern Medicine Aphasia Center at
Marion Joy, And what makes it so unique and different from other approaches.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Sure.
Yeah.
So I mean, I
Michelle Armour, MS, CCC-SLP: think before I get into the aphasia center,
I think it's important to talk about how Mary Joy just structures our
various services, as a hospital.
So, Mary Joy is a freestanding rehabilitation hospital, And we have
125 inpatient rehabilitation beds.
We have this full comprehensive outpatient program, but then we have this group
of specialty clinics, which provides post-acute services to anyone still
experiencing any form of disability at any point in their recovery.
And the Northwestern Medicine Aphasia Center at Marion Joy kind of falls under
that umbrella of our specialty clinics.
Other specialty clinics that we offer include, like driver's rehabilitation,
a balance and fall prevention program, an accessible fitness center.
So any service that someone might need at any point in their recovery.
So the Aphasia Center specifically offers, services to people who are living with
aphasia, who are living in the community, and it's accessible to them at any point,
no matter how far post onset they are.
Or no matter how acute they are, they could, access our services
right away while they're even in outpatient concurrently.
so the aphasia center's main goals.
We wanna provide opportunities for individuals with aphasia that are live,
living in the community, just to continue to practice their functional communication
And also to receive opportunities for socialization with other people.
Who also have aphasia and just try to connect them because it's
a very isolating experience when someone's living with aphasia and
oftentimes they're still learning what it even means to have aphasia.
So the ultimate goals of our center are to connect them with one another
to help reduce the risks of social isolation and just help improve
their overall quality of life.
We do that in a variety of ways.
We offer, an eight week community aphasia group program where they
would work together And the groups are led by a speech language
pathologist to help facilitate, those activities and those conversations.
We do offer individual sessions, for people who might not want
the group experience, but want to kind of speak with more speech
therapists to receive more guidance.
we also offer virtual groups just to increase accessibility for those who
might have trouble getting here in-person.
And then most recently, in the last three years, we've developed an intensive
comprehensive aphasia program, which we refer to as our ICAP for short.
And the ICAP is much different than our other programming
options in the aphasia center.
The ICAP is a model that's used, internationally, but the intent
of an ICAP is a little different versus just quality of life.
It's really meant to maximize on neuroplasticity.
So we work six hours a day, four days a week for four weeks in our icaps.
Specifically to try to help our clients with aphasia maximize on
neuroplasticity by that high frequency increased intensity to try to make
as much progress as possible with their aphasia in a relatively short
amount of time of just four weeks.
So with our kind of unique structure, we offer these.
Different options to people to kind of meet them where they're
at and help meet their needs along the course of their recovery.
generally though, we really value what's called the life participation
approach to aphasia, which is just a kind of blanket statement of values.
That says, we ultimately wanna help our clients with aphasia live successfully
and participate fully in life.
And that involves talking to them about what those participation
activities are and how we can help them
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
get there.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Wow.
It's such a comprehensive approach, Michelle, thank you
so much for explaining all that.
Now, Dr.
Cohen, in this case that we're discussing today, what medical factors
contributed to the patient's condition?
You mentioned stroke before.
Were there other symptoms or complications you had to manage?
What about the comorbid situations that go along with stroke?
Because there are many.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
So this 70 seven-year old, patient was ultimately diagnosed with a
left temporal hemorrhagic stroke, other medical issues that impacted
the development of his stroke.
Was he had quite a number of cardiovascular comorbidities,
particular atrial fib and flutter.
He had, preserved heart failure.
he of course had hypertension.
Was is the number one cause of stroke.
but the issue that I would say that really most impacted his ability to
communicate, which is the, topic today was that he has, oral motor apraxia.
Which is the inability to volitionally sequence oral movements
of speech, for non-PE tasks.
And this really did impact his, recovery, and added a layer of
complexity to his ability to communicate.
and I know my colleagues will discuss this in much greater detail.
the other thing is, that also we'll talk about more detail, is that he had a
type of aphasia called a fluent aphasia.
And that actually led to him presenting to be at a much higher level ability to
communicate and understand information told to him than he truly had.
So he had a lot more, challenges than he presented when you first
walked into the room to meet him.
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: Yeah, and I think when thinking about like language
challenges, especially with this patient, it was just kind of narrowing down what
type of communication would work best for him and trialing different modalities.
He definitely had challenges, but he was able to communicate when given the
right strategies And the right tools.
Honestly, it was a pretty big misconception when he first got
here was that, he was confused.
He couldn't understand what we were saying, which he couldn't
understand what we were saying, and it was because it was all auditory.
Once we figured out a way for his comp comprehension to improve with.
Different strategies.
It helped immensely, and I think that's what's important about this case, is
the fact that, we did try multiple ways to help improve comprehension
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
as well as expression of language.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Well, Shamoon, I'd like to stick with you for a minute.
So tell us a little bit about that initial approach once you discovered
these challenges being auditory, and tell us the strategies you used.
How did you adapt the therapy to his needs?
That's so interesting.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Yeah, I think, you know, it's interesting in
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: general, 'cause whenever we're reading the case
history or the history in general for a patient, we're only given the region of.
A brain that was impacted.
So you don't really have a full idea of what you're gonna walk into.
and with that in mind, you kind of just have to have an open mind approach
to interacting with your patient's.
in this case, I walked in, asked him how he was doing, how his day's going,
open-ended questions, and honestly, he was able to say, good, I'm doing well.
But then once we started to ask kind of deeper questions, that's kind of
where we unlocked some of those language challenges, even with just simple yes no
questions, open-ended questions, so then.
It comes down to what type of formal assessment I'm gonna use, and here we
use the Western aphasia battery bedside.
It's a quick assessment that allows us to look at a patient's fluency,
their word finding, their auditory comprehension, their verbal repetition.
There's also an apraxia battery on the back and confrontation
naming, and honestly, in this case.
This patient had such a severe case of warn aphasia that, it
was kind of difficult to get through that, assessment because.
In my mind that assessment doesn't necessarily paint the
best picture of the patient.
and I knew going through it that it wasn't gonna go too well.
but that also allowed me to know, okay, in this formal setting, I can only follow
these instructions, so I'll do that.
But after I'm done with this assessment.
I'll trial some different modalities of communication, writing key words down.
That was super helpful.
Using a yes no, picture board, that was helpful as well.
And having these visuals in front of this patient increased
his comprehension substantially.
It was night and day.
And it was almost comedic at times because I would ask him a question and
he would get a little confused, but the second I would write a key word down for
him, he was like, oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
That's what I'm talking about.
And that light bulb kind of, turned on and it helped so much to just be
able to trial and error all of that.
another approach That we like to use in our inpatient is allowing the family to
fill out patient questionnaires so that we can make the treatment a lot more
personal and elicit language That is potentially more familiar to them as well.
L
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
That's really interesting.
Can you give an example of,
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: Yeah, sure.
one of the big challenges that we had was at the beginning when this patient
was admitted, he was trying to elope, he was trying to leave the room.
And due to the communication challenges, this patient did get mislabeled with
cognitive communication deficits.
But in this case, that wasn't.
The challenge, the main challenge was the auditory comprehension aspect of things.
And once we were able to narrow down that using certain strategies, even if it was,
whether it was related to the context of the conversation or even an unfamiliar
topic in that moment, if we wrote down a certain key word, it helped him to.
Improve his comprehension and know that like, okay, we understand that you're
having a hard time communicating, so let's work together to figure
out what you're trying to tell us.
And in that moment, he was upset, he was frustrated, and it took a lot of
trial and error to figure that out.
And he was frustrated and upset because he wasn't able
to communicate with his family.
He wasn't able to talk to his wife.
He wasn't able to make a phone call, And that was causing this frustration,
which led him to elope in this case.
And when we were trying to guide him back and inform him like, look, we are
trying to assist you in this moment, it caused more confusion, especially with
so many people talking to him at once.
It just let, it was a perfect recipe for disaster, unfortunately.
One of the things that I strongly recommended after those situations
happened was that it should be one-on-one com, one-on-one communication
using these certain, strategies, and it made a world of difference.
Michelle Armour, MS, CCC-SLP: And I'll just piggyback off of what Shamoon is
saying it, I think with a person who has.
Flu aphasia with these significant auditory comprehension impairments because
they're having trouble understanding, oftentimes they don't understand that
what they're saying isn't making sense.
Mm-hmm.
Because a person with aphasia, they know exactly what they wanna say.
They're saying it in their head.
And if they're having trouble comprehending, oftentimes they're
having trouble comprehending the fact that the words they're saying are
not matching the words that they're thinking, and That is really frustrating.
it's hard to hear yourself And so sometimes, especially in the acute phase
of aphasia, it takes a while to, have that person understand that they're having.
The difficulty with communication, oftentimes they'll look at, their
family or the healthcare provider, like, what's wrong with you?
I'm saying it.
Why aren't you understanding it?
And it takes, some time for them to learn what the change is in their
language and how we're hearing it.
so I think that's just always an extra challenge, and I think that was a piece of
what this gentleman was also experiencing in those early days in the hospital.
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: Yeah.
And going off of that.
A way that we helped to build his awareness or insight into, his
expressive language challenges was writing down what he was saying so that
he could read what he was attempting to say, and I would present it to him.
He would read These neologisms or jargon that he would come up with, he would
read it off the piece of paper and he himself go, that's not what I meant.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Mm-hmm.
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: And that helped to improve,
his language in general.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
one challenge, at least on for providers is, often we are seeing these patient's
in such a short time period that we get a chance to interact with them that.
we ask them, fire off questions at folks And we don't pick up so fast or
don't want to realize that, they may not be understanding what is being asked.
And it takes time.
Mm-hmm.
To try other modes of communication.
So, but it's absolutely critical.
And as we have alluded to, because.
the treatment team did not quickly pick up that the patient was having trouble with,
understanding words that were being spoken to him, led to, an elopement event mm-hmm.
Or a near elopement event.
And had we realized when he was first admitted to the floor, that
he was having difficulty with understanding spoken language And we.
proceeded to write things down for him.
Mm-hmm.
Which he clearly understood Much better.
We would've avoided That elopement event.
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: Yeah, and I think that's why it's so important
to get these type of assessments and interactions so early in a person's care
is so that we can establish, modalities of communication so that they can talk to
the doctor, they can understand what the doctor's saying, they can even talk to
the care tech that's working with them.
And better yet, even just.
Call their family and say hi.
'cause sometimes even that's like very difficult for them.
So starting as soon as possible is probably what everyone's
target should be when it comes to
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
communication, especially with aphasia.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Shmo, were there any turning points that you wanna
mention during his rehabilitation journey?
Anything that was really exciting?
I mean, you've mentioned so many and you all have really expanded on this, but was
there something that got you really it.
Excited where you went.
Yeah, This is it.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Yeah.
I
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: would have to say about halfway
through the patient stay.
We eliminated the use of thumbs up, thumbs down.
Yes.
No cards.
And it was like we cleared the fog all of a sudden And this patient
was able to understand these simple yes no questions and complex
yes no questions and it made it.
So much easier for them to communicate with us.
And it also showed us that his comprehension was getting so much better.
So we were able to push the limits a little bit more and
introduce, in this case a communication book, which was great.
And we were able to trial, different formats of the communication book.
And I think that turning point was so pivotal and it.
Having his family involved with that.
his family was incredibly involved.
They wanted to know the best ways to communicate.
'cause it was just him and his wife at home and his kids lived on the other
side of the, country on the east coast.
And being able to just say like, okay, you can use yes no questions And we can
potentially use this communication book.
To help you guys communicate.
That was huge, and having his family so involved and willing to do as much as they
wanted to do made a really big difference.
The second I mentioned the ICAP program.
His family was like, we will do it.
We want to do it.
Give us the information.
And when I told them about the Aphasia Center in general, they were amazed.
They were they the look on their face when it was like there are other individuals
with this exact same challenge that you can work with and hang out with and
talk with and build a community with.
They got so excited 'cause they didn't feel as though
this was something they had to
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
do on their own.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): I would love to give you each a
chance for some final thoughts.
Before we do that, Michelle, speak a little bit about how
you all measure success for participants in these programs.
What kind of criteria do you use?
I, I mean, there's certainly quality of life, as Shamo was just saying,
but speak about specific measurements for success for these participants.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Yeah, absolutely.
So I think it depends on
Michelle Armour, MS, CCC-SLP: which part of our aphasia center they're accessing.
So like I mentioned, we have this group program with this, individual.
Did first, he joined us in this eight week community program and it connected
him with all these other individuals and it was eyeopening like, I'm not the
only one living with this condition.
And for that kind of program, it's really there's no way to assess it.
It is the introduction.
It's getting them involved and it's helping them build the community.
As Shamoon said.
Now with the ICAP program that he did participate in, that's much different
because our goal is different.
Our goal is to.
Really change the aphasia to improve the condition and to have him
improve his, ability to communicate.
So for that program specifically, we do a series of standardized assessments.
One really looking at impairment based measure.
Uh, it's.
The Western aphasia battery, but the full version, Shaun alluded to the
bedside version that we use in inpatient.
we do a participation based measure looking at communication
and, activities of daily living.
We do a cognitive measure because sometimes there is a cognitive impairment
in conjunction with the aphasia.
It is different, but we, there is an aphasia friendly way to
evaluate cognition, so we do that as part of admission into the icap.
And then we do a series of patient reported outcome measures so that we
can really have a better understanding of how our clients are feeling,
how their confidence is in terms of their communication, and how
their quality of life is in their eyes at that moment And in time.
We also do just functional language samples.
So we have them talk, we have them tell us a story, And we analyze that
for all aspects of language to really see are they a better communicator?
Are they finding their words?
Are they building adequate sentences?
How is their language expression for a functional conversation
or for telling, stories.
And so, with this patient specifically, he did wonderful.
I mean, by the time he was, finished with our icap And we,
do all of those assessments.
I mentioned, I mentioned before, admission into the icap, And then
immediately after, he was scoring.
Much higher.
He actually changed the severity of his aphasia following participation in
the ICAP from a moderate, aphasia, flu aphasia at admission to, a mild aphasia.
After the ICAP was said and done, he went from scoring mild on cognitive impairment
measures to within normal limit.
He jumped an entire, 12 points on percentile ranking in terms
of his participation measures.
So the difference was substantial.
And then we do focus groups And we ask them all about their participation in
life activities because standardized assessments like that, they're great,
they're informative, but no matter what a standardized test may show, if
their time with us is allowing them to participate more fully in life.
Interact more effectively with their family and friends and
just overall positively impact their psychosocial wellbeing,
then we know we're doing our job.
Right.
And for this gentleman, That is exactly what we heard from him and his family.
He got back to being independent, fully independent with his independent,
activities of daily living.
He started to read for pleasure again, which was.
Such a huge, huge progress for him.
His auditory comprehension improved, where he started listening to podcasts
again, he started listening to TED Talks.
He was doing these things that he enjoyed doing prior to his stroke.
And, he wasn't able to do that because of the aphasia previously.
he was ordering for himself in restaurants.
He was, going and doing more social engagements that, otherwise he was kind
of refraining from because they were hard.
It was, Difficult to do social things that he would've done previously.
And he, he got back to doing those, he got back to driving.
He did our driver's rehabilitation program and he is now an independent driver.
So the progress was just substantial, both on paper but in real life.
And that I think for all of us here at Ion Joy, that's what we value
and that's what we really measure
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
as success.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Wow.
That's so cool.
I love to hear that.
And Dr.
Cohen, what should other clinicians keep in mind when treating and first seeing
these complex aphasia cases like this?
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Thank you for the question.
I, think it's an important one.
I think there's a lot of take-home points, that we have hit upon.
I'm gonna try to summarize some of them.
So I think most important, or one of the most important things is to,
lean on your speech therapists to develop a strategy to communicate with
the patient's, as soon as possible.
I think That is, is so important.
and I think we should recognize then aphasia changes over time.
So the strategy that works on day one, it may not be the same
strategy that works on day 10.
And then the other important thing is.
communication is a human right and patient's with aphasia can communicate.
The challenge that the treatment team has is unlocking what
strategy works best for them.
And that may take a little bit of time, a little bit of trial and error, but
it is absolutely critical in terms of their recovery from their stroke.
the other thing is, family involvement is absolutely critical.
And in this particular case.
his family was so supportive and was a great comfort and resource for him.
So they have to be involved in the communication strategies
and, practicing those strategies.
safety planning is important too.
you, need to think about that as well.
it's also very important to include all members of the treatment team in
the communication strategy because they'll be communicating and.
having FaceTime with the patient alone and everyone has to use the same
successful strategies as we've alluded to, patient's with aphasia can be decisional.
and you cannot assume that if someone has aphasia, they're not decisional.
aphasia is different than cognitive deficits And we need to take
the time to separate the two.
and like I said, aphasia, evolves over time and people can.
recover and, improve their communication, with proper treatment.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Schmo next to you.
I'd like you to speak about the patient himself.
It seems like you had a lot of interaction you were critical to his rehabilitation.
What would you like other clinicians to know about what you all accomplish
together with this patient to increase that quality of life so much.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
Working.
Patient was
Shamun Mohammed, MS, CCC-SLP: unbelievable in many different ways.
mainly the fact that, like Dr.
Cohen mentioned, having the family involvement, I think
that was a huge factor.
And then having the interdisciplinary team also join in on that and utilize
these strategies and everything.
He himself is just a great guy.
great personality, really funny, good sense of humor, he was somebody
that I would clearly be friends with outside of the hospital And that
knowing that his family was motivated and he was motivated to get back
to everything that he was enjoying before, it made such a big difference.
And it's actually funny that, Michelle brought up that he was
able to get back to driving.
I remember we were in the hospital and, talking about return to driving
and things like that, and how his wife doesn't really drive that often.
And that day I asked his wife, Hey, how was the drive here?
And she's like, oh, I, clipped the tire on the curb And the rim broke.
And, and he was like.
What, uh, what just happened.
And So, it was just seeing that he was kind of, you could tell he was
a little bit more motivated to get back to driving in that sense, but
it was just funny 'cause the wife was like, yeah, we rely on him.
You know, without him doing these things, it's kind of tough at home
to get by, especially when we don't have the support so close to us.
one thing that.
we really didn't touch on too much, was family education, in general.
And this family was coming in like the last three or four days of his stay every
day for hour long speech therapy sessions and willing to get involved and learn
how to communicate with the patient.
And I think That is super important.
'cause a lot of the times we'll see patient's and.
There isn't that much family involvement, due to whatever variables there are.
And that does make it a lot more challenging for, the
individuals to communicate.
So, we've talked a lot about different ways to help, those with aphasia.
It's just finding what works best, I guess,
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
or what they're most comfortable with.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Well, it's certainly very personalized.
And Michelle, last word to you, as the families are helping, contributing,
supporting, getting educated, you're working with these patient's,
how is Mary and Joy uniquely a.
To support this patient's recovery and all the patient's at Phasia Center.
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
at all patient's, no
Michelle Armour, MS, CCC-SLP: matter where they live, they have access to
hopefully inpatient care, outpatient programs, but eventually those levels
or levels of care, they come to an end.
And you know, as a speech therapist, I've worked in those levels of care
and I know that feeling of being like.
Well, outpatient, your insurance isn't gonna cover anymore.
So unfortunately we have to discharge at this time.
but the person's looking at you like, well, but I still have aphasia.
I still can't communicate.
I'm still struggling so much.
And so I think with Marion Joy with these specialty clinics And the
aphasia center offerings that we have.
It gives someone that next step, their formal episode of care may have
come to an end, but we are here to continue to help them to move forward.
And I think That is how we're uniquely positioned.
And I think if more places had that, had support groups even, you know,
had more community type of programming to help people after those formal
episodes of care come to an end.
Then people will feel more supported, their families will feel more
supported, and ultimately they can continue on this journey and
Robin L. Cohen, MD:
make more progress.
Melanie Cole, MS (Host): Thank you all so much.
This was absolutely in.
Enlightening and eyeopening And so interesting.
Really an upbeat, uplifting case study.
And thank you so much for telling us all about the Aphasia Center at Marion Joy.
For more information about the Northwestern Medicine Aphasia Center at
Marion Joy, please visit nm.org/aphasia.
Or for more information, you can always go to breakthroughs for
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to get connected with one of our providers.
That concludes this episode of Better Edge, a Northwestern
Medicine Podcast for physicians.
I'm Melanie Cole.