Joey Wahler (Host): It is aimed at enhancing patient care before and
after hip and knee replacements, And also supports non-operative patient's.
So we're discussing the prescribed fit service And it's proposed partnership.
With Orthopedic Associates of Central Maryland Division, our guests Broccoli.
He's Chief Executive Officer and founder of Prescribed Fit, as well as Dr.
Joseph Serino, an orthopedic surgeon specializing in hip and knee replacement.
This is a bone to fix from Orthopedic Associates of Central Maryland Division.
Thanks for joining us.
I'm Joey Wahler.
Hi, gentlemen.
Welcome.
Dr Joe Serino: Thank you.
Brock Leonti: Thank you for having me.
Joey Wahler (Host): Yeah, great to have you both aboard.
So, first, Brock, give us an idea in a nutshell of what your company does
And the mission of prescribed fit.
Brock Leonti: Sure thing.
Thank you for having me on the podcast.
I appreciate it.
Anytime that we can talk about our message to the greater community is
just, it is great opportunity for more patient's to take advantage of this.
And more surgeons to have the support they need to help their
patient's in a greater way.
So prescribed Fit was built as a virtual care platform for orthopedics.
We're there to help patient's drive down weight, improve pain and
mobility, all in a virtual care sense.
So we're, we're built with an app that we have built with our team in house.
we designed specifically, and it all started in 2017, where I was sitting in a
coffee shop And also working out in a gym.
Kind of planning out what was next in my life.
and while I was at the gym, a provider came over and said, exercise is medicine.
I like my.
Patient's to get healthy And the gym owner and I knew each other and
that's where we stepped off with it.
So, It was that little spark of an idea that became the national
program that we offer for orthopedic practices across the nation.
And we're here to bring a mobile app and a mobile experience with a hardware
component, which is a body weight scale and a remote care team of care
coordinators, all to the provider's practice underneath their umbrella.
To drive care at home, we're there to really bring a new
perspective to that practice.
So instead of just looking at the joint And the back or whichever body
part, the providers get to focus on that, and now they get to follow
through with their recommendation to get healthier, to lose weight, to do
better, you know, activities at home.
With an actual program that supports the patient throughout that.
So our mission is really to improve orthopedic outcomes.
by supporting the patient there with consistency and accountability.
we're there to really drive that forward.
it's a moment where outcomes really are impacted by activity and by activity
I mean engagements, the things that the patient's do between visits.
I mean, and we'll fill in those gaps there.
So we extend care and Provide that patient, with the support they need
to bring their doctor's plan to life.
Joey Wahler (Host): And speaking of which, Dr.
Serino, the term pre rehabilitation, we know about rehab.
After a procedure or after a certain type of treatment, but what's meant
by pre-hab before joint replacement surgery because it's an important
part of the picture, right?
Dr Joe Serino: Sure.
And, thanks for having me.
It it's great to be back.
the term prehabilitation typically refers to a formal structured physical therapy
program before joint replacement surgery.
Obviously it conclude a lot more than that in practice, but in terms of the medical
studies that have been done on, formal pre rehabilitation programs, the data on it
is actually fairly limited, but it does seem to have some modest benefits in terms
of helping patient's recover function and strength more quickly after surgery
and, can potentially reduce pain after surgery, especially after hip replacement.
I think, these studies are, really limited because they only look at, you know,
these structured in-person PT programs that patient's do maybe a couple times a
week in the weeks leading up to surgery.
And I think the important question for patient's isn't, how can I get
my joints stronger or moving better before surgery, but more, you know,
how I improve my overall health to get the most outta my new joint and
reduce the risk of complications?
And I think.
That's where prescribed fit, could potentially really fill an
important void is not just focusing on the movement aspects, which are
certainly important, but the bigger picture like Brock was alluding to.
Joey Wahler (Host): Yeah, I'm gonna ask more about that in just a moment.
But first, Dr.
Serino.
Talk there about pre-procedure, but on the flip side, how does weight
management specifically affect the joints, particularly after a replacement surgery?
And along those lines, are there any dietary recommendations you
suggest when prepping for or recovering from lower extremity joint
replacement surgery in particular?
Dr Joe Serino: it's a bit of a loaded question a lot To unpack, but in terms
of weight management, it's a really important aspect of joint health.
in general, I think the most important time, to be thinking about That is, well,
before even considering surgery, there's lots of different forms of weight loss.
And I think an important part of it is it does need to be healthy and gradual.
and there's, lots of data that shows patient's of any weight
can still benefit from a joint.
Replacement, but gradual safe weight loss, is important to keep the muscles
strong, maintain good range of motion, And in many cases can relieve significant
amounts of pain from hip or knee arthritis so that the patient may not even end
up needing surgery in the first place.
But then being at a healthy weight or losing some weight before
surgery, is important to reduce the risk of, certain complications
that can be really problematic.
Like.
Infection, wound healing, complications, loosening of the
implants, needing another surgery.
so again, the most important time to be thinking about That is fairly proactively.
But then after surgery, in addition to helping patient's avoid those
risks, it can help them move better, get the most outta their new joint,
recover faster, have less pain.
so, it really is a.
big focus in joint health from beginning to end.
in terms of nutrition, you asked about that.
nutrition is a really important, area to focus on before surgery
again, but that kind of continues through the perioperative
period, including after surgery.
nutrition does play a big role in weight loss.
but then it's also focusing on.
key micro and macronutrients as well, like getting sufficient
protein intake, vitamin D.
other micronutrients like zinc, are important for wound healing as well.
so that's an important, variable that I talk to all my
patient's about before surgery.
Joey Wahler (Host): Absolutely.
And along those lines, Brock, how would you say prescribed fit in
fact, helps patient's manage those exercise and nutritional needs,
both before and after joint surgery?
Brock Leonti: Yeah, to help support Dr.
Serena being the physician, he's got a lot to be concerned
about with the patient's, right?
The surgery is the procedure, recovery is a process and they all need support.
And I think when we look at, patient's and they come into our solution, managing
them well before surgery is the key, but that's not always the possibility.
so when we look at the plan, it's dependent upon the time that we have.
It is addressed over a longer period of time or talking
about behavior change, right?
And hard for us to even.
Remember to sometimes pick up our keys in our wallet before we leave the house
to go to the car, let alone change our behaviors that have defined us, you
know, every day, sometimes culturally, spiritually, financially, or otherwise.
so we're breaking this down and looking at that, and I know that's a, big high
level, but to bring it down into a more.
just a centered level.
I think patient's are motivated to do this, but they don't know
how to turn that into action.
And the providers certainly are providing this, information to
the patient's and saying, Hey, let's get you ready for surgery.
but unless there's a plan and someone to help them stay adherent to it,
it's hard for the patient to do that.
I mean, they have to.
Already prepare their house and get their lives ready for one of the hardest
things that they're gonna go through.
So we give them a clear roadmap.
We help them with, giving them a scale, letting 'em know what
they're getting into upfront.
it's definitely a conversation with the patient and it's a shared decision-making
model rather than a directive model.
That helps them reframe it in their mind to be a little more accepting.
We use motivational interviewing to take them through this.
So when we're talking about exercise and nutrition, we're asking them
questions that lead them to the right answer rather than saying, This is
the answer, and instead of giving them just a strict plan to follow, we
help them to find what works for them.
This is not an all-or-nothing, it's not a diet, it's not a quick fix.
So there is an opportunity before surgery to say, okay, well what do we
need to do to really help you prepare?
You for this, from a strength standpoint and being more intentional about the
intensity of our movements, and we'll provide exercises to them, that are, are
generally directionally correct for them.
And then edit those over time as they go through that And
we get the feedback from them.
And then post-surgically, we don't interfere with any
other treatment pathway.
So we take into account where they are, what they're willing to do.
And what steps they can take.
So when you look at a patient that's, thickened into
therapy after surgery, great.
We're not giving them those exercises yet.
we're focused on, better recovery, nutrition, doing consistent,
things that help engage a better, healthier outlook for the future.
I always like to say that, it's like medication, right?
You take daily doses of medication.
This is daily doses of good decision-making.
And what that means is.
Not going through the drive through as much, cutting your
portions in half or in a portion of, just what you'd normally have.
looking at the healthier foods rather than the unhealthier foods and balancing it
in that direction, but never eliminating the things that make you happy.
because it just doesn't work.
Diets don't work And we need something that's consistent.
So as we prepare them for surgery, and recovery from after our app
helps track the progress, but it's the person on person, communication.
And interaction week after week.
That helps 'em stay adherent to it.
That's really, I think the not so secret but secret sauce of our solution is that
we provide that team to the practice.
So when Dr.
Serino says, okay, you're gonna go through recovery and here's what we want you to
do, you know, they're not gaining weight.
Like some studies now have recently shown where.
Patient's go into surgery and they say, okay, when I have surgery, I'm
gonna come out and I'm gonna lose the weight that I gained since I haven't
been moving, and actually Mayo Clinic has showed in a recent study that
they've gained weight after surgery.
That's why patient's need this.
We need to, to be able to say, all right, let's take the right steps
now, literally and figuratively to get to nine months post-surgery where
you're better and now you're making those happy, healthy decisions.
Joey Wahler (Host): Gotcha.
And Brock, one of the things you mentioned there was the importance of strength
getting stronger, staying stronger.
And with that in mind, Dr.
Serino, there's this common misconception that the hip is solely held in place by
its socket, but can you clarify how strong muscles also play a vital role here?
Dr Joe Serino: Sure.
So, The hip joint is indeed a bone and socky joint, but for both replaced
hips and native hips, there's actually not a whole lot about the bone or,
the typical implants that we use that physically holds them together.
There are some important soft tissue structures like the ligaments And the
joint capsule and, the native hip, the labrum that do help hold the hip together.
But, the most important.
Soft tissue structure that helps with this, are the abductors, which would
be the gluteus medias and minimus, and essentially they directly.
Pull the hip bone And the ball of the joint, up into the socket, So, it can
glide smoothly and function properly.
And so having strong abductors, regardless of, why you're having hip
pain, if you've had your joint replaced, having strong hip duct are really
critical to allow the hip to function.
As optimally as possible.
And they'll help keep your body upright and stable as you walk and stand.
and by contrast, having weak abductors can lead to pain, limping And in some
cases even dislocation of the joint.
So, kind of like you alluded to, having strong muscles is really
critical for, hip function.
Joey Wahler (Host): And then switching gears a little bit, I asked Brock how
his product helps in this area, but for joint replacement patient's, doctor,
how does OACM strong support system.
Impact recovery by you and yours collaborating as a team.
Dr Joe Serino: I think the two points that Brock kind of
emphasized that I think are really.
I want to emphasize again, our consistency and accountability, and that's really
where the support system is most helpful.
like we've been talking about, surgery is a, big team approach.
You know, the patient is the captain of the team, I have my job to do.
but the whole support system, including physical therapists, medical doctors,
anesthesiologists, family members are all really critical parts of the team.
And.
I think the consistency aspect is important.
Having a support system that checks in on you frequently.
that includes all of us, you know, me, the physical therapist, et cetera.
Having a, system that checks in on you frequently.
Make sure that you're progressing as we would expect, identifies potential
areas of weakness or issues before they become a, bigger problem is important.
And accountability similarly helps the patient understand their progress,
make sure they're on track, and gives them motivation to, push,
through that early recovery period.
Joey Wahler (Host): And Doc, can you explain for us what the en.
Dr Joe Serino: Sure.
So That is another service that our group has partnered with.
It's a protein supplementation service that, provides, protein packets, powder
that, can be mixed to make a protein shake, for the two weeks before surgery
And the two weeks afterwards, I think.
Protein is a really key nutrient for patient's preparing for surgery.
it's very, very common.
Up to 50% of patient's undergoing hip or knee replacement have some
degree of protein malnutrition, And the body requires a lot of
protein to heal the incision, heal their muscles and their bone.
having adequate protein can reduce the risk of infection
and wound healing complications.
Helps them rebuild a muscle that's probably been lagging
behind over the years as they've been dealing with joint pain.
And so I always talk to patient's about protein supplementation,
whether that's through en route or just through dietary modification.
but the benefit of en route is it is designed specifically for surgery and
has some additional, micronutrients like vitamin D that I think are
helpful for the recovery process.
Joey Wahler (Host): Couple of other things before we let you both go.
Brock, how can people best leverage their overall support systems here,
including use of your platform, of course, during either their recovery
journey after joint surgery, or as we alluded to at the top here, even if
they're being treated without surgery.
Brock Leonti: I think Dr.
Serino said this right in the response before the patient is the captain.
They have to be the one Those are ready to take these steps that lead the way and
ultimately self-direct at a certain point, or at least are accepting and open to it.
So, it starts off by being ready to change and being ready to take the next steps.
And also being open to ask, and maybe there's even a little bit of
vulnerability in there too, to be able to say, I need this support.
so, when we're doing this, we're providing, support.
As an extension of the practice to the patient through our app, through our team.
but there's also the support that they need through learning.
and knowledge acquisition is definitely a way to provide that support to themselves.
Also through their family and friends.
I mean, checking in daily, having someone there.
Ready to help them.
my personal friend, very best friend just had knee surgery and I spent
three weeks in Tampa helping him recover from surgery down there.
So, it's the little things like letting the dog out or that kind of stuff.
So those kind of things are meaningful.
And then holding you accountable too.
I think there's an accountability support part of this that,
is certainly meaningful.
The app, becomes an anchor between appointments and between therapy
and between, the calls that we have each week with the patient.
but it's the patient who really makes the decision.
And I think the final, thing that I wanna say about this too, And in support is
it's, surgery is very physical, right?
Especially orthopedics.
I mean, you think you gotta knock on a knee, you gotta see
it, you gotta, drill in there.
And as, as crazy as that sounds, I mean, it's a very physical component.
To our bodies.
but there's a mental aspect of this that you can't ignore.
And it's not only the physical recovery, but it's, there's the huge mental
side of as well that's meaningful.
So if patient's feel stuck or they don't know, or they're uncertain,
prescribed fit, and plus the other members of the team, including the
practice is there to help them.
and I think those tools are definitely the way to really make
someone's recovery a class a, event.
Dr Joe Serino: I think it's a really important, topic and something I
see with patient's all the time in terms of Leveraging the support
system like Brock has been saying.
I really think the most important thing is communication.
understandably, there is often a lot of anxiety surrounding surgery and, like
Brock said, information acquisition, educating yourself And the rest of your
support system, what the process is gonna look like is really important.
but just.
Asking for what you need as a patient, communicating what you're
worried about, what your goals are.
it's really common for patient's to not wanna ask for help, but oftentimes
there are lots of family and friends who are more than willing to help.
You just gotta ask for it and communicate about it, and I think
that goes a really long way.
and helping patient's.
Joey Wahler (Host): yeah.
It comes down to patient's being their own best advocate.
And then before we let you go in summary here, gentlemen, wonder what you both
think about whether This is just the start in apps, platforms like the one we're
discussing here in technology in general, connecting with orthopedic practices.
Brock, what say you.
Brock Leonti: during our test here, when you showed this, you were gonna
ask this question, I said, Yes, it is.
we have a lot of things planned internally at Prescribed Fit to expand
our technology and our services alone.
the other, entrepreneurs out there that are thinking of different ways or
providers, even provider entrepreneurs, whoever that are thinking of the
different ways to solve for the issues.
I mean, patient navigation is a huge issue that.
we have, you know, what to do next, what seems right, what is right along
that journey pathway, that's not necessarily related to direct care or an
outcome, but the steps that you take for insurance approvals and all those things.
I mean, there's a lot there to navigate and it's not easy.
And so technology is definitely, the key to that And the key
to helping providers like Dr.
Serino do the best work he can.
Without being worried about all the other things that surround it.
Right?
Because we want our providers to be focused on our surgery
And the best in that area, and that's, what they're trained for.
I but we have other parts of care that are part of that, and technology can
be the source of truth for all of it.
Dr Joe Serino: Yeah, I really couldn't agree more.
I think we're in a really exciting time in healthcare and there's a
lot of advancements being made in technology I don't think anybody
would say that we have a smooth.
Perfectly functioning healthcare system.
I think there's lots of, areas that are unnecessarily complex and
time consuming and challenging for patient's and providers to navigate.
And the more help we can have from technology, I think absolutely
the better I'm excited for changes coming down the line.
Joey Wahler (Host): Well folks, we trust you are now more familiar
with joint replacement surgery And the prescribed fit platform.
Brock, Dr.
Serino, we wish you great success with your upcoming partnership.
Thanks for being with us and we really appreciate it.
Dr Joe Serino: Thanks so
much.
Appreciate everything.
Brock Leonti: Yeah.
Thank you very much, Joey.
Dr.
Serino.
It's a pleasure.
Joey Wahler (Host): Absolutely and a reminder, folks that Dr.
Sarno's Nutrition Podcast can be found on YouTube.
To learn more about the prescribed fit platform And what it can do for
you, please visit prescribe fit.
Dot com.
The platform is covered by insurance, but patient's will need
a prescription from your orthopedic physician to get started there.
Now, if you're dealing with joint pain or discomfort, please visit Mdbonedocs.com
to schedule a consultation.
I'm Joey Wahler and thanks again for being part of a Bone to Fix from Orthopedic
Associates of Central Maryland Division.