Host: So, so excited to do another of these interview series, highlighting
these amazing female leaders.
Thank you to the Society for Healthcare Strategy and Market
Development for providing this amazing platform to share these stories.
I am Sarah Brownell, the strategic growth director for HDR Architecture,
and I am just so excited.
I'm sitting here on a beautiful day in lovely Mountain View, California with the
incredible Tracy Lewis Taylor, the Chief Operating Officer at El Camino Health.
We're gonna talk about all of the amazing insights that you have to share.
So This is, this interview's a little bit different than some of the other ones
we've done with, they're all different.
But this one is really a particular one that I'm excited about because I'm gonna
go in a little bit of different direction than I think other's have before.
So we're gonna explore some new insights and talk about some ways
where, you know, just learning how we can learn from you, Tracy.
So I'm very excited to have you.
So thank you for doing this.
Tracey Lewis Taylor: Thanks for being here.
it is a lovely morning, a little bit crisp.
Yes, it's been a cooler summer habit.
Really happy to have you, and thanks for coming to my office.
Host: Oh, I'm happy to do it.
I'm so excited for this.
So, let's dig in.
So, first question I wanna ask you, maybe we start off with if you
could just share a little bit about your background career trajectory.
How did you kind of get to this?
Point.
Sure.
Tracey Lewis Taylor: probably like most people in healthcare, there's always
a, why, and I should probably note that when I was eight, I had a serious medical
event while I was in the operating room.
And I, I obviously don't remember that medical event, but I think afterwards, as
my parents have always sort of told me, that story really made an impact on me.
And, since that point, I've always known that I wanted to go into healthcare.
I think like most kids, I didn't necessarily have.
A lot of role models in healthcare.
my family wasn't in healthcare And so I only knew of the opportunities of being a
doctor or a nurse, And so I had sort of my heart set on I was gonna be a doctor, so
I went to undergrad and took my freshman chemistry class thinking This is my
pathway to med school failed miserably, like literally failed freshman chemistry.
I don't think it was because it was an 8:00 AM class.
I think it was just 'cause I was not smart enough to do well in the course.
But I also realized I didn't really want to be a doctor.
I didn't really wanna go to med school, And so I really had to find how I
could still fulfill the sort of passion and purpose of wanting to be in the
healthcare space without being a doctor.
But I had the opportunity in.
College to be in a freshman health class.
I think it was a required class, but it was taught by students that were a part
of the School of Public Health, and I was fascinated, just really enthralled
And so did an undergraduate degree in psychology and sociology as sort of a
stepping stone towards public health.
Which really sort of aligned with where I saw my core values start to align.
So focused on policy and management and learned how our
healthcare system was structured.
Had the privilege of studying abroad and taking some comparative healthcare
courses, learning how our system was structured, how the UK systems were
structured, and got my, start there.
So my whole career was really based on.
Understanding the healthcare system.
I started healthcare consulting as my first job.
I sort of laugh at those experiences.
Had really great opportunities in at the time, what were the big accounting
firms And the healthcare consulting divisions of those accounting firms.
Great opportunities to learn and grow in those spaces.
But I joked at the time, I didn't really wanna be on the road forever.
Everyone says, you're young, you're single, consulting's a great field.
And I joked that I didn't wanna be old and single.
So really wanted to get into the provider side of healthcare and really
being responsible for owning the recommendations that as consultants, we
were oftentimes sliding across the table.
So I did that consulting faux PPAR, if you will, and had the opportunity
to be hired by my client to implement some of the recommendations that we
had proposed, And that was fantastic.
And again, really taking the opportunity at that moment to implement
recommendations and being accountable to see if something actually.
Worked so great.
Great career opportunity.
Host: Great learning opportunity as well, I think probably, yeah.
Tracey Lewis Taylor: Phenomenal learning opportunity.
Yeah, I will say fortunately those recommendations worked, but we
were responsible for recommending a consolidation of business offices
from individual, entities into a regional structure, which still
exists today for that client.
So I'm really excited about seeing that.
That's great.
still in practice 25 years later.
so that was exciting.
And while I didn't obviously stay with that particular employer 25 years
later, a really great opportunity to build something from scratch.
But my sort of next move was probably one of the most.
Pivotal of my career path.
I left that particular employer moved to New York, what I will say on a whim,
as all good New York City moves go and really started a, great career, with
successive growth opportunities, moving from what I would call an internal
consulting role to taking on more roles that were larger in scope, leading
business operations And the like.
and I always joke, the rest is history because my experiences in.
New York And in New York-Presbyterian, we're really foundational and pivotal to
where I am today, and I would certainly not be sitting where I am today without
the professional opportunities and without the mentors at New York-Presbyterian.
Host: Yeah.
So that's amazing.
Just hearing you share that story.
A few things stick out to me, and you're talking about at a young age, having
the awareness of, okay, I failed this.
Chemistry class, And it's definitely, 'cause it was 8:00 AM it's not because
you're not smart, I'm just gonna say it.
Um, but, um, I don't think it could pronounce half of the words Yeah.
In the course.
So that would part, but I think that having that awareness at a
young age of, okay, maybe not this.
But there is something else.
And it takes a, not only awareness, but also, I mean, one of the things that we
talked about was a real clarity on, and you mentioned it, you know, the purpose
that you found through that next phase of going and studying public health,
studying abroad, how that purpose really fueled and helped you define your values.
It's really clear that that's something that's a, core part
of who you are as a leader.
Can you share how you were able to identify those values?
I mean, even at such a young age, I think it's just amazing, but just, in
general, what was that like for you and how did you come to crystallize that?
so, well,
Tracey Lewis Taylor: I will be honest, since I don't know if I knew in that.
Moment what those core values were.
Mm-hmm.
I really think that identifying those values was a skill that has developed
over time with book professional maturity and personal maturity.
A lot of reflection, a lot of good executive coaches that
have helped me, along that way.
Some of those core values were honed at least by the professional values.
I'll say.
When I decided to leave a job probably 20 some odd years ago that
I just didn't love the job was fine.
The organization was fine, like independently, all
of those things were fine.
They just didn't really align with what I really wanted to do.
I didn't love the work, I didn't love the location, I didn't love the environment.
Instead of, when you think about all those things collectively, they
didn't really feel congruent to who I was an individual, and I just didn't
feel like I was really bringing, you know, as they say, my best self.
To work.
And so when I look back, I think about that experience and think that was
probably the best decision or the best experience I should say, because it taught
me so much about what I didn't want.
Then I often talk about that experience to whether it's interns or folks
starting out in their career, because I think we all have those experiences.
that we go through.
And in the moment it seems so big And so overwhelming And so much of a miss
in our careers or our lives that This is the worst thing that could happen to us.
But it really isn't.
And again, I think that, you know, when we quote make those mistakes, if
you will, early enough in our lives or in our careers, they are recoverable.
And if you can reflect on those as opportunities and learn from
them, you gain so much more.
In the future.
And so for me, I think back about that moment as one of the best
lessons because every successive decision that I've made, I've sort
of looked back on that experience and thought, okay, does my next job, does
my next move feel more congruent?
And am I looking at this as checking all of those boxes and have I learned
something from that experience
Host: that's so important and it's such a great.
reminder of that.
'cause we are all going to make mistakes And we are all gonna make decisions
that aren't necessarily the right ones.
Yes.
And you can either ignore it or you can learn from it and choose to, really
call on that to help you develop.
And it's important.
Tracey Lewis Taylor: Right.
And it's not always perfect, but I think the sweet spot is
it's, incrementally better.
Yeah.
We can be incrementally better versions of ourselves in the future than we've, won.
we've been successful.
Host: And I think it's also in alignment with what I've heard you talk about,
about wanting to be your authentic self and being true to yourself.
Because I think a lot of times we say, well no.
I said I was gonna be a doctor and I wanna be a doctor, so I'm
gonna do this no matter what.
But really learning about where you get your joy.
Where you get fulfillment, where your purpose is met, and being okay to let
some of those other past assumptions or past ideals go to really focus on
the things that really do fulfill you.
I wish I had learned that faster, but I guess I feel like I make
mistakes quite a few times.
Yeah.
But you know, I think that's really great.
Okay, so made a couple moves.
You talked about a couple of the moves you've made over time.
as you reflect on those more pivotal moments in your career,
can you talk a little bit about how mentors have shaped you?
And how those experiences helped you become the leader that you are today?
Tracey Lewis Taylor: I think it's a great question and I'm
probably gonna name a couple names.
of folks that have really been influential in my career and, have really shaped
my career trajectory or, how I've thought about things in, my career.
So mentors I think are obviously incredibly important.
We talk about that a lot.
I think the mentors that I've had are, certainly no different.
They've acted really as catalysts for my career growth.
I mentioned earlier.
The experiences I had both personally and professionally at me at Presbyterian
were invaluable, to my career growth.
And I certainly wouldn't be here today without those experiences.
And in particular, I think that the mentors that I had there were
so instrumental in helping to ask crucial questions that helped me to
think about my career differently or maybe to help me see what I was.
Capable of being in a way that I hadn't necessarily self-reflected on.
Again, I sound like I've really have my life figured out, but again, in those
moments, I don't necessarily think that I was as attuned to maybe I am now
looking back in the rear view mirror.
And so naming names Rick Evans, who's now their Chief Experience Officer
at the time, he held a different title, but he was really just an
instrumental mentor in helping to shape my career trajectory in that moment.
I was a.
Director of finance and compliance supporting our ambulatory care and
support services, business operations.
So I was responsible for business planning.
I was responsible for budgets And so supporting operations, I would often be
the person to slide a document across the table and say, here's what you should do.
And I would.
Gleefully walk away and let somebody else take accountability for whatever
business decision and whatever outcome came from that business decision.
And so Rick said to me, well, there's this other position
open that's leading operations.
And I said, well, okay, that sounds interesting, but I have a
job and I love my job, et cetera.
And he asked me a really pivotal question.
He said, well, do you wanna support something or do you wanna run something?
I looked at him quizzically and I said, well.
I run my, team, I run my department.
I had probably six or seven team members that I was accountable for.
And he said, yes, but your role is really to support something because
as I mentioned, my team slid the piece of paper across the table and
said, This is what you should do.
And we walked away letting somebody else take accountability and he really
pointed out that difference between supporting the operation versus running
the operation, having the accountability for patient safety, for quality, for, the.
Patient experience for finance And for, you know, all of the things.
And I thought that was a really important question and I reflected
on that for probably a day or two before I had to make a decision.
And I thought, well, I don't know if I'm going to be good at or like, or
enjoy or feel passion and purpose.
Running an operation, running and being responsible for clinical operations.
But if he sees something in me that I haven't necessarily seen in myself,
maybe it's worth a shot And that move from supporting an operation from being
the director of finance and compliance.
Supporting ambulatory and support services to becoming the
director of clinical services.
Overseeing and being accountable for clinical aberrations, for infusion
and endoscopy and cardiac calf was the pivotal moment in my career, and I think
set the trajectory for where I am today.
And.
Very much owe that change And that transformation to the question that Rick
Evans posed to me some 15 plus years ago.
Host: This is really important because I think that, it is so powerful for
somebody else to open, you know, obviously what he did was he opened your eyes
to the fact that it's okay to, give yourself permission to be a leader.
and I think it's kind of crazy that sometimes we, as women leaders, we need
that to give ourselves that permission because I think a lot of times it's seen
as too ambitious or it's too bold or it's okay to support things and it is, but you
can also be a leader And that'ss great
Tracey Lewis Taylor: to me and to realize that the skillsets that I had
while different were transferable.
Were applicable And that the leadership that I had in my role could be translated
to running a clinical operation And that I didn't have to have a clinical
degree to be successful in that space.
Yeah.
And that gee saw something in me that I didn't inherently see in myself.
And I think that we all have the power to do that for other's.
And I think that's what our purpose is as leaders.
Host: Yeah, I totally agree, and I think that obviously This is a moment that
really shaped you and impacted you.
I think that so many of your team today would probably thank him as well
for opening you to that opportunity because you are making such a
difference across your organization.
So, thank you, Rick for your advice.
So going back to making these moves, going into new organizations kind
of as you've grown in your career, I think feedback is a big part of that.
and I think This is something that female leaders often struggle with too.
And, maybe every leader struggles with it, honestly, but particular female leaders.
but I wanna talk about feedback.
Because not all feedback is good feedback but some of it is hard
feedback and it's the best feedback.
So how have you incorporated feedback in your own development?
And then do you have any advice?
To early careers on how to seek it out and evaluate if it's good for you or not.
just let's talk about it a little bit.
Tracey Lewis Taylor: Yeah, yeah.
Well, let's start with the advice question first.
So first feedback is a gift.
so if you're lucky enough to have someone in your career or in your
life, who respects you or your work enough to give honest and specific
and hopefully constructive, feedback, you have absolutely won the lottery.
These people really care about you and your career development.
And I think just as much as they care about the success of the organization,
I think that's, really important.
Leaders should obviously care about the success of the organization,
but there's congruence there.
If they care about the success of the organization, they need to care about the
fact that you as an individual leader, you as an individual human, also contribute
to the success of the organization.
And so there are really two pieces of advice that I can give
around the topic of, feedback.
And the first is.
That you really need to develop the muscle to ask for feedback.
Not every leader is really comfortable giving and proactively giving feedback.
and I think it's incumbent upon each of us to be able to
ask for it and to seek it out.
Developing the muscle to ask for it, being specific about what
type of feedback you're looking for, I think is really helpful.
And that helps, I think to direct the type of feedback you're looking for, from whom
you're looking for that feedback from, I think will make it more, more valuable,
more meaningful, because it inherently implies that you trust that person
that you're getting the feedback from.
And I think that's the second piece is that if you're not proactively
seeking it out from someone you trust, and it's what I'll call unsolicited
feedback, making sure the person that's giving you the feedback that
you're taking the time to evaluate.
Do you trust that person?
and I can't underscore that point enough.
That feedback comes to us from all different points, in time from all
different places, and only you can really decide whether you trust
the person, whether you respect them, whether you value their
input, and whether you agree with.
The input that's being provided.
But the bottom line is feedback is really just somebody else's
perception of this situation or, whatever it is that you're doing.
And so even if you don't agree with it, you have to understand that it's
someone's perception of their reality.
And so you have to do something with that feedback.
The second piece of advice, which is just as critical as number one, that
you have to actually ask for, you know, feedback for people you trust
and respect is that you actually have to be open to receiving it.
And I think that's the really hard part, and I think probably the lesson that
I will admit that I wasn't so great at in the early parts of my career.
I'll probably bring my mother up in the podcast, so shout out to my mom in.
the original feedback you mind, right?
Email feedback provider.
But I think in an earlier, conversation with my mom, related to some feedback
that I'd gotten, in earlier days of my career, I came home from work and was
telling her about some feedback and she had said, well, that's great, but can't
they tell you something that we didn't know since you were in kindergarten?
And I sort of looked at her and I said, well then why
didn't you tell me this before?
So, it is sort of funny that, she probably did tell me, but maybe I just wasn't
open to hearing it in the same way.
but in all seriousness, and again, I'm gonna go back to naming names Midway
through my career, maybe I was open to hearing it from different people.
Maybe it was just different when you don't hear it from your mother.
But I did have a few lottery tickets come my way in terms of people That I really
respected and valued in the workplace, who gave me really great feedback.
So again, back to my New York-Presbyterian Days death, really pivotal, for my career.
Two individuals, come to mind.
Rob Mento and Jackie Aria, both were just.
Really consistent about giving feedback, and I respected and trusted each of them.
So when it came time to deliver difficult, messages, I was ready to receive it.
and valued not only what they shared, but understood that them sharing feedback
with me not only signaled to me that they valued my place in the organization,
but they valued me as a leader.
And they recognized that by giving me this feedback, that it wasn't just about what
I would contribute to the organization, but feedback that I could carry with me.
15 years ago, and I remember these conversations like they were yesterday,
and again, I appreciate that they valued and cared for me enough to want to give me
that really honest and direct feedback in a way that nobody else had up until point.
Host: So this might be off script a little bit, But when we've met before, you told
a story about, I don't know if it was one of those individuals that had given
you a piece of feedback on in a meeting.
Yeah.
And you,
Tracey Lewis Taylor: Rob Mento, in particular was exceptional.
And, he and I were in a meeting, with our finance leaders presenting
a business plan to fund an outreach program for community-based outreach.
Programmed to support patient's with asthma.
And we were poised to not only present the financial data, but also sort of
the operational and business case.
And as our financed folks walked in the room, there was chit chat that happened,
obviously, You know, before the meeting.
And we sat down to start presenting the business case and every time a.
I started to present the financial data or the operational data, Rob would
interject and answer a couple questions.
Finance team would ask some more questions and Rob would defer and
say, yep, we'll get back to you.
And I would again, sort of quizzically look at him and think to myself,
well, we have this information, why isn't he letting me answer?
And we would sort of do this dance for about 15, 20 minutes.
And he'd let me answer a couple questions.
But for the most part, the majority of the questions that the.
Finance leaders asked.
We deferred and said, yep, we'll get back to you and I was again, dumbfounded
thinking we have all of this information.
We had done so much prep work.
Rob and I, like most things, we were aligned.
He knew that I had the information, And we were well prepared to
answer all of their questions.
And so the meeting ended.
No decision point on funding this business case.
And we agreed to follow-up in a couple weeks.
So I went back to my office and I was angry to say the least.
I had prepped, I was prepared and I was confused 'cause I knew that Rob knew that
I had all the answers and I'd done so much work And so went back to my office.
And for me, that standout moment was when Rob called me about an hour after
the meeting and I picked up the phone, it was my desk phone, by the way.
This is how long ago?
It was no cell phones.
And he said, I know you're angry.
Do you wanna talk about it?
And I said, yes.
What happened?
And he said, you didn't read the room.
And I paused and he said, if you remember the first part of the conversation,
the chitchat before the meeting really started, finance leaders talked about
how they had just come from the finance committee of the board meeting and
they were lamenting all of the issues.
That had just come up during the board meeting, and they were in
no position to give us a yes on this particular business plan.
This particular business plan was not a patient safety issue.
This discussion could wait.
You need to learn to read the room, and I just, I sat there and I absorbed
everything he was telling me, and It was like a ton of bricks just hit me.
it's probably not the right expression, but it wasn't about the specific feedback.
I mean, it was, I learned a little bit about reading the room, but it was
also just the fact that he had enough respect for me, one, to let me cool off.
Mm-hmm.
Because I was angry And that he called me within an appropriate amount of time.
To give me the direct feedback and to give me the valuable
lesson that I needed to learn.
And again, it really showed me that he invested in me as a leader in my
professional growth and development.
and it showed me what good feedback looks like.
So Rick Evans, Rob Mento, Jackie Mcca.
Collecting my names.
Host: Yeah, no, I think that's, great.
And that's such a great story.
I just love that.
and I love that, You know, we're here to talk about you and your
journey and you keep mentioning all of these other people, which I think
is just so fun and fundamental.
I am standing on the back of the giant.
I think that's amazing.
And now, You know, obviously you have a lot I've wrote ahead of
you, but what advice do you have?
Maybe go back to that girl that failed that chemistry class.
What advice would you have for yourself as you were starting out in your career?
Tracey Lewis Taylor: I don't know if I even have the best advice
that I would give my younger self.
I sort of like my hindsight being 2020 vision a little bit, but maybe I would
give myself maybe two pieces of advice.
One, have better glasses in the moment to really think about the here
and now, more deliberately versus just thinking about the future.
I would also give my.
Self.
The advice to, I'm gonna negate what I just said too,
is start with the end in mind.
And what I mean by That is everyone thinks about the title, you know,
I wanna be this when I grow up.
Right?
And they always think about a title or role, a specific job.
Their version of success is tied to something really specific.
I would say that it's okay not to have that level of specificity when you are.
10 when you're in college or even when you're 20.
And the reason I say that instead I would change it and say, what do you
want your retirement party to look like?
What's the feeling Picture the party, not necessarily the title.
and to me, that really helped me to think about.
My core values that it wasn't necessarily about my ladder, but really about the
core values of what was gonna be helpful and instrumental in getting me to who I
wanted to be and how I wanna get there.
And for me, I think that was more important than the title on a cake.
Host: Yeah.
I love that.
And I, and I recently read something kind of along those same lines about, setting
your 20 year strategic plan for yourself but really not what role do you wanna
have, but what value do you wanna bring?
Like what value do you wanna bring to career?
Tracey Lewis Taylor: And I think, right, and I think the latter, the
title, the job is how you then achieve those values, achieve that purpose.
Yeah.
It's through that role that you are able to accomplish.
The purpose.
Host: Yeah.
So what is next?
I mean, you have so much that you have accomplished already to this point.
Let's talk about what's next for you.
What are you working on?
Tracey Lewis Taylor: Well, so my day-today job, yes.
Still focused on that and some career aspirations built-in there outside of my
day-to-day job And the career aspirations.
Again, purpose-driven career aspirations.
I am working on an executive coaching certificate.
I start class next week.
Oh, very excited about that.
And that'll help me to pursue my passion for developing people And then doing
things that are more outside of my wheelhouse, like being on a podcast.
So check.
Yeah.
Um, And we'll see what's next.
Host: That's awesome.
I love it.
How do you stay motivated And what really kind of fuels you and motivates
you to keep showing up as you
Tracey Lewis Taylor: do?
I love that question.
And actually, I'll give a shout out to one of my current team members.
He brought his kids in pre-teen kids into work just last week,
and his 10-year-old asked me what my favorite part of the job was.
That was the first question he asked.
I thought I was gonna give a softball question, like,
what's your favorite color?
Or, something easier.
Right.
But no, he asked me favorite part of the job, and I.
Sort of paused and did allow me the opportunity to talk about purpose,
which felt really good and connected.
And That is really what motivates me is the strong sense of purpose that
I have in the work And the ability to make a meaningful impact on other's.
And I say other's really broadly 'cause I think in healthcare the
reach is broad and I am humbled.
By that responsibility that we have to take care of other's.
We collectively, get to improve the lives of patient's.
We have the opportunity to support our staff, our caregivers, our team members,
And we have the responsibility to advance the mission of the organization.
And I take that responsibility really seriously every day.
I often say that my role is to wake up and think about.
The 4,500 team members that work in the organization are 1300 plus
physicians and every single patient That is in our care today, plus every
patient or every community member that may think about being in our
hair at some point in the future.
And I love that mission, that responsibility.
But I'm also energized by opportunities to enhance quality, enhance patient care.
So not just thinking about what we're doing today, but thinking about what
that might look like in the future.
And that caring isn't just about.
Clinical excellence, but it's being responsive to every single
individual's needs in that moment.
And I think about our duty to care from a clinical perspective, because
that's what our patient's expect.
But I think it goes well beyond that, and I think we all have our personal
reasons for why we do this work.
But I think about my family members who have been in the hospital, and I think the
work that we do is incredibly purposeful when we think about beyond the clinical
care, that somebody has to actually care.
That they have to care.
If a patient eats dinner, they have to care that the patient is
left-handed and know to put this fork or the spoon in the patient's left
hand so that they remember to eat.
It's that type of care, and I'm really passionate about making sure
that we have all of the systems and structures in place so that we can.
Do all of that important work from really advanced complex clinical
care to very basic care at the bedside, heart care at the bedside.
Host: Oh, it's amazing.
Yeah.
Thank you for that.
And thank you for everything that you do.
I mean it, it's such important work.
I mean, I know this organization is just so much better for having you
here, you know, at the homeless.
It is just amazing.
So Tracy, I really appreciate it and thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you for having me today.
It's been fun.
A lot of fun.
Thank you so much.
Awesome.